Tom,

You can have Guest LANs with z/VM 4.2.  They just won't have broadcast
capability.  You _really_ want to move to Guest LANs, even without that.
Really.

Mark Post
Really.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Duerbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Suse 8 TCP/IP timeouts during boot


You are right, in both cases.

Stopping the IP device and starting it again worked, at least the first
time.

I do plan on moving to IUCV.  But during the initial testing, I'm
keeping the things I have control over, the same as I had in Suse 7.

I don't have guest lans support (z/VM 4.2), but I'm converting in 4th
quarter to z/VM 4.4 (the last VM release supported on the MP3000).

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28 12:03 PM >>>
Tom,

I have this exact same problem on one of my SuSE systems that I
upgraded to
a 2.4.19 kernel.  I switched to IUCV instead.  If you don't want to go
with
Guest LANS (and you _really_ should), IUCV is the better way to go than
CTC.
They're both point to point (which stinks), and IUCV seems to be more
reliable when one end or the other drops and comes back up.

In the meantime, if you stop and restart the connection on the VM
TCP/IP
side, it should get you going again.  After a few attempts, perhaps.
If
you're lucky today.


Mark Post

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Duerbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Suse 8 TCP/IP timeouts during boot


I'm not sure where to look to debug this problem.

I've been testing Suse 8.  We have been on Suse 7 for about a year.

When I install Suse 8, it connects to VM's TCP/IP machine and runs
just
fine.  This is z/VM 4.2 btw.  However, when I cycle Linux, it doesn't
connect back to IP.

But, if I cycle TCPIP when Linux is up, it connects ok.
If I cycle TCPIP when Linux is down, when I boot Linux, it connects ok
(first time only)

I'm using VCTCA connections.

As I've hinted at, I have not had this type of problem with Suse 7.

Error messages follows:

>From Linux during boot:

Setting up network interfaces:

    lo        ..done

    ctc0      CTC driver Version: 1.55.10.2 with CHANDEV support
initialized
ctc0: read: ch 09d6 (irq 0009), write: ch 09d7 (irq 000a) proto: 0

IP/Peer:     192.168.99.211 / 205.235.227.74  ..done

Starting syslog services..done

Starting hotplugging services [ net ]..done

Starting hardware scan on boot..done

Starting RPC portmap daemon..done

Starting SSH daemon..done

Mount SMB File System..unused

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg
started.


May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: Inspecting
/boot/System.map-2.4.19-3suse-SMP
May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: CTC driver Version: 1.55.10.2 with
CHANDEV suppo
rt initialized

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: read: ch 09d6 (irq 0009), write:
ch 09d7 (
irq 000a) proto: 0

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: Timeout during TX init handshake

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: TX channel restart

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: Timeout during TX init handshake

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: TX channel restart

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: Timeout during TX init handshake

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: TX channel restart

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: Timeout during TX init handshake

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: TX channel restart

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: Timeout during TX init handshake

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: TX channel restart

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: Timeout during TX init handshake

May 28 11:49:08 linux11 kernel: ctc0: TX channel restart


>From the console log of TCPIP:

        11:47:47 GRAF L01CB LOGON  AS  LINUX11  USERS = 48

TUBPRD  TII0226I THDBUSCH LU PN206261 LDEV 01CB LOGGED ON TO LINUX11
(PF2)
TCPIP   CTCA 09D7 COUPLED BY LINUX11 09D6

TCPIP   CTCA 09D6 COUPLED BY LINUX11 09D7

TCPIP   11:47:58 DTCCTC091E CTCA DEVICE LINUX11: RECEIVED DEVICEEND
INTERRUPT O
TCPIP    PROBABLE CTCA RESTART

        11:48:25 TAPE 05A1 ATTACHED TO DYNVM 05A1 BY DYNVM

DOSESA2 TAPE 05A1 ATTACHED

        11:48:26 TAPE 05A1 GIVEN TO DOSESA2 05A1 BY DYNVM

DYNVM   11:48:27     CADT007I (IUCV:DOSESA2,BG) ****** LABEL SYS015
SYS015=5A1
DYNVM    *929D002-DT-RESPMT*

TUBPRD  TII0261I DOS4 LU LS208271 VTAM SESSION TST4PROD(2) STARTING -
LOGMODE=D
TCPIP   11:48:31 DTCCTC091E CTCA DEVICE LINUX11: RECEIVED DEVICEEND
INTERRUPT O
TCPIP    PROBABLE CTCA RESTART

TCPIP   11:48:36 DTCCTC091E CTCA DEVICE LINUX11: RECEIVED DEVICEEND
INTERRUPT O
TCPIP   11:48:41 DTCCTC091E CTCA DEVICE LINUX11: RECEIVED DEVICEEND
INTERRUPT O
TCPIP    PROBABLE CTCA RESTART

DYNVM   11:48:41     CADT031I (IUCV:DOSESA2,BG) *CLOSED* SYS015
SYS015=5A1 3036
DYNVM    BLK=12

DYNVM   11:48:41     CADT032I (IUCV:TSTESA4,BG) ASSIGNED BACKUP
SYS000=5A8 3057
DOSESA2 TAPE 05A1 GIVEN TO DYNVM 05A1

        11:48:42 TAPE 05A1 GIVEN TO DYNVM 05A1 FROM DOSESA2 BY DYNVM

        11:48:45 TAPE 05A1 DETACHED DYNVM 05A1 BY DYNVM, TAPE
VOLUME(S)
NOT UNL
TCPIP   11:48:46 DTCCTC091E CTCA DEVICE LINUX11: RECEIVED DEVICEEND
INTERRUPT O
TCPIP    PROBABLE CTCA RESTART

TCPIP   11:48:51 DTCCTC091E CTCA DEVICE LINUX11: RECEIVED DEVICEEND
INTERRUPT O

Some netstat commands:

netstat gate

VM TCP/IP Netstat Level 420

Known gateways:



NetAddress      FirstHop        Flgs PktSz Subnet Mask   Subnet Value
Link
----------      --------        ---- ----- -----------   ------------
------
Default         205.235.227.41  UGS  1500  <none>
ETH1
192.168.33.0    <direct>        US   1492  <none>
MP02
192.168.99.0    <direct>        US   1500  <none>
LNEWESA4
192.168.99.5    <direct>        UHS  1500  HOST
LSTLESA2
192.168.99.10   <direct>        UHS  1500  HOST
LY2KESA2
192.168.99.24   <direct>        UHS  1500  HOST
LNEWESA4
192.168.99.206  <direct>        UHS  1500  HOST
LLINUX06
192.168.99.207  <direct>        HS   1500  HOST
LLINUX07
192.168.99.208  <direct>        HS   1500  HOST
LLINUX08
192.168.99.209  <direct>        HS   1500  HOST
LLINUX09
192.168.99.210  <direct>        UHS  1500  HOST
LLINUX10
192.168.99.211  <direct>        UHS  1500  HOST
LLINUX11
192.168.99.212  <direct>        HS   1500  HOST
LLINUX12
192.168.99.213  <direct>        HS   1500  HOST
LLINUX13
192.168.99.214  <direct>        HS   1500  HOST
LLINUX14
192.168.99.241  <direct>        UHS  1500  HOST
LLINUX05



>From "netstat dev"


Device LINUX11           Type: CTC          Status: Ready
Queue size: 0            Address: 09D6
   Link LLINUX11         Type: CTC          Net number: 0
       Multicast Capability: Yes
       Group            Members
       -----            -------
       224.0.0.1           1

Not having reliable connections after booting is really getting to be
a
pain.

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting

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