Linux-Advocacy Digest #987, Volume #34 Tue, 5 Jun 01 17:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again) (flatfish+++)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: UI Importance ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: SourceForge hacked! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: What does Linux need for the desktop? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: SourceForge hacked! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Stuart Fox")
Re: UI Importance ("Stuart Fox")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Chad Myers")
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (GreyCloud)
Re: Back up in Linux (Norman Levin)
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:06:39 GMT
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:43:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>Of course he's right. Perish the thought that a user or sysadmin
>might actually use ls, cat, or less to look around for a series of
>text instructions such as AAAREADME, README, README.1st, INSTALL,
>or anything like that!
I have nothing against cli i use it all the time.
Why should anyone have to look around to find instructions?
That's another thing I find ridiculous with Linux and that is
everything you need always seems to be buried 10 obtusely named
directories down and I'm talking about the install CD's not the file
system that gets installed.
Example:
I wish to install via boot disks because the crappy CDROM in
my thinkpad isn't bootable.
1. The instructions that are supposed to tell me how to do this are in
a format I can't read using Windows. There are 6 different versions of
this file. Install, install1, installmefirst, installdos etc.
While I can sort of view and decipher this in notepad the text is not
formatted and strung out all over the place and some letters do not
translate properly so it is a mess.
2. The rawrite program, same thing and it lives in another directory.
Loadlin is yet in another place should I want to use that and on
top of that they have 3 different loadlin.bat files which load
different kernels and stuff that I don't know because I can't properly
read the install instructions on a Windows PC easily.
3. Images live in still another directory.
So now I have to either copy all of the stuff I need (rawrite,
images) to another directory and make the diskettes, or I have to
write all these things down and hope I enter the command properly.
4. The install directory on the CDROM, actually has little to do with
installing the program but contains the items to be installed.
This is idiotic and before the bootable CD police come after me, why
in the world does Caldera and Mandrake and SuSE resort to gui install
interfaces when everyone of them mis-identifies my ThinkPad video card
and renders the system useless by slowly turning on all the pixels in
the TFT display at once turning it a fade to white (you gotta see this
one)?
Under Windows?
Put the CD in.
"Would you like to view the Readme?"
Yea that sounds like a good idea.
And away it goes for the vast majority of programs.
Sorry, but there is absolutely no comparison between installing
software under Windows and Linux.
Windows is so far superior because if it wasn't you wouldn't see all
of those programs on the shelves of the local computer stores.
Imagine if even most of them wouldn't install and gave the grief a
typical Linux program install does. The companies would be out of
business in short order because the Joe users of the world wouldn't
put up with it.
And before the "well they put up with buggy Windows for years police"
come along, yes that is true but what was the alternative?
Now there is an alternative for joe user (Linux) but I don't see him
going for the bait, at least not yet. Someday maybe, but for now?
No, we must be mindless zombies and
>click on SETUP no matter what (note that Win2k has an option
>to hide the .EXE or .BAT; it's not that important, is it? :-) )
>and everything will install happily ever after...
>
>Riiiiiiiiiight. Pull the other leg, it spews poison gas and
>makes every baron in the room sick...oh, wait, wrong analogy... :-)
>
>[.sigsnip]
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:10:42 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>
> Aaron> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "chrisv"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>But when you bow, make sure you're _facing_ him. Don't want to bend
> >> >>over with your back to him, after all. Might be more than he can
> >> >>resist.
> >> >
> >> > I have a theory, and I'm sure I'm not alone, that the people who claim
> >> > to be the most repelled by certain activities, are the people with inner
> >> > conflicts regarding these same activities.
> >>
> >> I believe it's a quite common theory: those that have an inner conflict
> >> have most to fear.
>
> Aaron> The unstated premise here is that I have an "inner conflict", which is
> Aaron> false, as I will demonstrate in the next paragraph:
>
> Your following paragraph proves the reverse. That you think gays
> present a clear and present danger is evidence of your irrationality
> on the subject. Normal people do not feel threatened by homosexuality.
>
> Aaron> If I object to, and repelled by, someone who dumps poison in the food of
> Aaron> other people sitting at the table, is that supposed to indicate that I
> Aaron> have some "inner conflict" or is it my RATIONAL recognition that this
> Aaron> person is a clear and present danger to EVERYBODY he comes into contact
>with.
>
> --
> Andrew Hall
> (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
Spot the disease-ridden homosexuality promoter.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:11:39 +0100
>>
>> Sure they can. Just open a sample image in a text program and copy out
>> the string of binary data you want to search for. Then paste it into
>> the
>> "find in files" dialog box. It'll run real slow like but it will work.
>>
>> However I still dont see why you would want to do this.
>>
>
> Suppose I have thousands of photos of ice cream trucks. Suppose I want
> to find all of the photos of Good Humour trucks (a particular company
> among many companies). Now, how does your method work?
>
> I think you misunderstood what he meant by content. He did not mean
> sorting based on the occurrence of a particular string of binary data.
> Images are (often) images *of* something. He wants to sort according to
> what these images represents (something that your algorithm certainly
> doesn't do -- I'm not sure that any current algorithms exist for this
> task).
That's what I meant.
As I see it, there is no easy way to sort a bunch of arbitrary images,
however good the GUI (with the current processor speeds/image recognition
technology). I think some users will have to learn about directories.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:16:51 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ngWS6.6716$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9wSS6.3659$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9fg8sn$92b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Sure. But NT can port only to little endian
> > architectures, whereas Unix can do both
> > big and little endian.
>
> If that were true, then NT couldn't have been ported to PPC which is big
> endian. MIPS can be either big or little endian, and Alpha was little
> endian.
PPC can switch between big and little endian. It needs to be
one for NT, and the other of MacOS, basically.
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:16:52 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:24:19 GMT, Daniel Johnson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, Unix is easy to port to new hardware, but
> > Unix apps are often not easy to port to other
> > operating systems.
> >
> > What's so difficult to understand about that?
>
> Nothing, but I'm not clear on what's different about Unix in that
> regard. Are you saying that Windows or Mac apps are easier to port to
> another OS? I doubt that very much.
No, I'm not saying that.
I think you are trying to read a "Windows-uber-alles"
meaning into it, and I didn't mean it that way.
I'm saying that Unix (the OS) is more portable
than NT (the OS) because of their attitudes on
endianness.
It's really not as hard as Rick is making it. :D
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:18:48 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Smith"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I am not a troll. Apparently you cannot even read. Go back and reread
>>the article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19350.html
>>
>>What does it say? It says both SourceForge and Apache web servers were
>>hacked. Apache.org runs Apache!
>
> No, it does not say that. Try reading the fucking article instead of
> just posting the link over and over. It might help of you went and got
> a computer dictionary and looked up some terms, like "password", that
> you apparently do not understand.
This is classic Pete Goodwin. He very often intentionally misquotes and/or
snips to distort the meaning of the original message. If you accuse him
of this (like I am now) he'll claim `you're just reading stuff in to it'
however he'll never make any attempt to correct this. He seems to be one
of the most widely misinterpreted people on usenet, either that or he
meant it to be interpreted in that way.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:20:36 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 05 Jun 2001 02:04:00 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:57:32 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote:
>
>>>>> I use it for free, so you must be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Bzzzzzzzzt, now you've sent my untruth-o-meter of it's scale!!!
>>>>
>>>>Norti!
>>>
>>> What the HELL are you talking about?
>>
>>Its called *humour* (sometimes) so lighten up please.
>>
>>Dr Square, I meant that as Agent is NOT free, someone had to pay for it,
>>are you saying that is was a gift ?
>
> No, I cracked it.
40w v3ry l33t 0f u.
-3d
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does Linux need for the desktop?
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:23:08 +0100
>>>>Look fool, quit complaining. You chose to use Debian which is a distro
>>>>for the hard core only. If you want a easier one, use RedHat. It even
>>>>has a control panel and a good tool for setting up printers and X.
>>>
>>> That would mean downloading another 100MB+ of files, which I am just
>>> not prepared to do.
>>
>>Go by a CD then. Good software is well worth paying for.
>
> Where from?
Depends where you live. In the UK many of the larger bookshops sell it.
>From what I've heard from this NG, this is the case in many other
countries too. You could also mail order it from a mail order bookstore
or buy it over the net.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:39:25 GMT
In article <9ffhdh$hkq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> > Posting what? Either article? There's so much bleating about IIS, I
> >> > thought one about SourceForge/Apache would be interesting for a
> >> > change. So, how do you leap to your conclusion, then?
> >
> > I'm still waiting to hear how you jump to your amazing conclusion. I
> > guess you'll ignore that question.
>
> You implied it.
Implied what, exactly?
> >> Er, Apache wasn't hacked, but the server it was residing on was
> >> compromised by a different route. Compare this to all the defacements
> >> that happen as a result of IIs being hacked.
> >
> > Yes, and where did I say otherwise?
>
> You implied it.
Implying it does not mean I said it.
> > Are you clever enough to read what I actually said?
>
> I'm also capable of picking up on implications.
>
> Q: If yo have been so widely misinterprteted, then why not correct that?
>
> A: because you weren't.
"Widely"? By a few posters?
> > I quoted a very short piece of text and you and others make out I've
> > said something completely out of context.
>
> You have mand no attempt to correct this, so I can only assume you mean
> it. If not, you've been very unclear.
Mean what, exactly? What words are you trying to fit into my mouth?
> > You've posted very weak evidence, based on what you _thought_ I said.
> > Please stop trying to put words into my mouth!
>
> You are now playing word games. You are capable of realising that thing
> can be implied and misinterpreted. You have made no attempt to point out
> that your post was misinterpreted by everyon who replied to this. from
> this, I can only conclude that you are out to deceive people, or you
> actually meant what people interpreted it as.
I'm not responsible for what others imply, infer or misinterpret from my
comments.
--
Pete
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:45:34 +1200
"flatfish+++" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:43:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 1. The instructions that are supposed to tell me how to do this are in
> a format I can't read using Windows. There are 6 different versions of
> this file. Install, install1, installmefirst, installdos etc.
>
> While I can sort of view and decipher this in notepad the text is not
> formatted and strung out all over the place and some letters do not
> translate properly so it is a mess.
Wordpad is your friend for reading Unix formatted text. It's to do with the
way line breaks are handled on *nix and WIndows. *nix uses a CR (I
believe), while Windows using a CR LF.
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:51:19 +1200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> The first couple of letters and a tab usually works for me. How do you
> pick them on a GUI anyway? What are the keys to move a file to the
> floppy?
SHIFT+F10 (or right windows key, if you have one)
T
Right Arrow
Enter
(or copy *.* A:)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 13:13:32 -0700
Peter da Silva wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The IBM restore CD asked if a few questions about "Large Hard Disk
> > support or not... format the hard disk or not"... the applications disk
> > was a separate CD. This was an OEM CD of windows which contained IBMs
> > proprietary drivers. Some very nice software was included called
> > verisafe that notices when system files are changed by accident by other
> > software installations. Once I had installed AT&T internet disk and
> > found that it had changed a lot of things very deeply and I didn't like
> > that... all I did was click on verisafe and restored to a previous state
> > in a couple of seconds. It cleared out all references to AT&T.
>
> That's impressive, I must admit. I have mixed feelings about it, though:
> it's nice that such a tool exists (and I'll have to look for it, see if
> it's available unbundled), but it's sad it *has* to exist.
>
> Hm. Google is being less than informative. Do you have any idea who the
> original publisher of this software is?
>
> --
> `-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
> 'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Disclaimer: WWFD?
It wasn't verisafe.... sorry... it's configSafe found at
www.configsafe.com
--
V
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:23:01 -0500
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EeaT6.66270$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:24:19 GMT, Daniel Johnson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Well, Unix is easy to port to new hardware, but
> > > Unix apps are often not easy to port to other
> > > operating systems.
> > >
> > > What's so difficult to understand about that?
> >
> > Nothing, but I'm not clear on what's different about Unix in that
> > regard. Are you saying that Windows or Mac apps are easier to port to
> > another OS? I doubt that very much.
>
> No, I'm not saying that.
>
> I think you are trying to read a "Windows-uber-alles"
> meaning into it, and I didn't mean it that way.
>
> I'm saying that Unix (the OS) is more portable
> than NT (the OS) because of their attitudes on
> endianness.
>
> It's really not as hard as Rick is making it. :D
There really is no hard-coded dependency in NT
for little or big endian. You could write a big
endian HAL and it'd work just fine. The problem
is with the apps. Many apps have dependencies
(although they shouldn't) on big or little endian.
For more info:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q102/0/25.asp
-c
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 13:25:09 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Yes with its new Linux O/S no less. But I know that there are a lot of
> > new IBM imaging systems that reduce the claustrophobic effects on some
> > people.
> > I worked with IBM in military systems and they were no slouches in
> > getting the best designs out to the field. Very good hardware.
> > Microsoft doesn't have that kind of organization yet that has to deal
> > with other than software goods.
>
> I disagree here.
> MS already sells a lot more than just software.
> They sell books.
> Okay, they sell books *about* software, but they sell books.
> The also sell some of the best periperials that I've seen.
>
So they sell books... big effort there. So does Sun and just about
anybody else that can write.
I haven't seen or heard of any MS doings in the military in regards to
new hardware designs. These designs take time and a lot of human
resources to get going. MS doesn't know or probably care to do Military
stuff.
> Be aware that if MS wanted to start selling hardware, they could do one of
> the following:
> A> Buy a couple of OEMs.
> B> Buy AMD.
> C> Develop its own chip. (That would be really cool.)[*]
>
It may but they haven't. It would take them too much time and an awful
lot of money. Besides, Intel wouldn't like it. The present fact is, MS
doesn't do much in hardware manufacturing.
> (I think that Intel is too big for even MS to buy, they could merge with it,
> though, making it a true Wintel solution ;-d )
>
> I think that one of the main reasons why MS don't touch hardware is that if
> it would try, the DOJ would be all over it faster than the speed of light.
> Can you *imagine* the response to MS if it tried to act like Apple?
>
> Can someone direct me to where I can find the net-worth of companies, I
> can't seem to be able to find a place on the net that gives this
> information. I could make this post a lot more interesting if I had this
> information
>
I've had trouble finding this too... you might try some various stock
houses.
> [*] From past experiance, MS would go to Intel, AMD, Sun, Trasema and every
> other company that deals with chips, and offer some tempting-as-sin salaries
> & benefits to them. Think about it, Linus may end up in MS in this scenario.
> :-D Then they would invest a fortune in giving those people whatever they
> want in terms of R&D. It might turn out to be a really good chip, too. [**]
>
> [**] Of course, it would also be the only one who will have the mysterious &
> cryptic command BSOD.
--
V
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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:25:26 +0200
From: Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.hardware,,comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Back up in Linux
I was about to respond to this append, when I saw my "groups" in Netscape
messenger spin like a busted roulette machine. SIX groups? Give it a break.
If all 6 of these groups are proper groups for this question, then there
are clearly 5 groups to many.
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > > Jerry Wong wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I used to backup the windows by Ghost software. In linux, can the
> command "tar"
> > > > be used like Ghost. I means to backup the whole Linux system by tar it
> and
> > > > restore it when necessary. I have windows98 and two Linux system in my
> PC
> > > > (Red Hat 7.0 and Mandrake 8.0), so I can tar one of them when running
> the other.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible? Please give me some advice.
> > >
> > > tar is okay for groups of files, but NOT good for the entire system.
> > >
> > > learn to use dump, and/or BRU or Arkeia.
> >
> > dump is not a sufficient solution either. linus had a few comments
> > about this on linux-kernel about a month ago. it seems that the only
> > way to get a clean snapshot of the disk partition is to unmount it
> > first and then save. this is especially true of the journalling
> > filesystems.
>
> Tar is actually better than dump at dealing with an active filesystem
> but neither will handle the case where multiple files must be saved
> as a snapshot of a consistent state. What we need is kernel support
> to freeze the 'real' filesystem while letting the system continue to work
> with changes staying in the buffers or paging out to swap if necessary - and
> of course, a way for the backup utility to read the frozen copy.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Norman Levin
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