Linux-Advocacy Digest #37, Volume #35 Thu, 7 Jun 01 23:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Sean)
Re: MS patches Exchange 2000 email spy bug (Sean)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (Rotten168)
Re: Windows XP Ushers in New Era of Communications (Sean)
Re: Argh - Ballmer ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Windows advocate of the year. (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Re: I propose a GPL change... (Terry Porter)
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux is shit (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Terry Porter)
Re: IBM Goes Gay
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Flacco)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Flacco)
Re: Linux Capability (cash)
Re: I propose a GPL change... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows advocate of the year. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: UI Importance ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: UI Importance ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: IBM Goes Gay (.)
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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:59:41 GMT
What do you expect from a **marketing** company?
No way you will get good software....but maybe the
ocassional illegal monopoly!!!
Sean
====
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html
>
> --
> Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
> record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
> looking any better.
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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: MS patches Exchange 2000 email spy bug
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:04:42 GMT
...but Microsoft is a **marketing** company....they know
nothing about software.
Maybe they know a bit about illegal monopolies, but asking
them to produce high quality, secure, user-friendly software
simply ignores twenty years of terrific marketing and twenty
years of lousy software.
Sean
====
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19526.html
>
> Now how many companies use this to allow their employees to
> access their email while offsite? How many of these companies
> will hear about the patch far less install it. It doesn't
> matter what SW MS develop they are full of security bugs.
> Even their ISA firewall has had 2 security bugs found already
> the last of which was a total denial of service (a polite
> way of saying it crashed :-)
>
> --
> Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
> record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
> looking any better.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:07:26 GMT
"." wrote:
>
> flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 8 Jun 2001 01:42:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
> >>flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:37:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>I think it's lousy when employers take a stand on this sort of thing,
> >>>>one way or the other. Where I work we have annual "sensivity
> >>>>training." They tell us that what we mean when we speak is irrelavant;
> >>>>it's how our words make people feel that determines whether the
> >>>>words are punishable.
> >>
> >>> I agree.
> >>
> >>> I have several friends who work for IBM and they are quite upset about
> >>> all of this.
> >>> To quote one male friend of mine:
> >>
> >>> "I'd love to se their (IBM's) faces if I showed up wearing a mini
> >>> skirt and pumps one day"
> >>
> >>They wouldnt bat an eye, and if you actually did have a friend who worked
> >>for IBM (which you dont, this is more than confirmable, as is your gender;
> >>which is male, as is your age, which is older than you probably wish you
> >>were, as is your identity, etc, etc, etc)
> >>
> >>IBM has the same policy about transsexuals. Dipshit.
>
> > Call Renee Brown at 212-745-3626 and ask HER about IBM's gay and
> > lesbian policy.
>
> What ill do instead is call her and let her know that you just posted her
> real name and phone number to usenet, accessable to the entire planet.
>
> I cant wait to see what she says.
>
> -----.
>
> --
> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>
> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
Make sure you keep that .sig when if you email her.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows XP Ushers in New Era of Communications
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:13:20 GMT
Frank
"Windows <snip> 90%+ market share"
The good news is that Microsoft's market share can only go
down......Linux is getting server market share and server
"mind share".
And, notwithstanding all the sock puppets and astroturfers,
Linux is a great desktop OS.
The evil empire has peaked....the only question is how long
it will take to go down the toilet!
Sean
====
Frank wrote:
> Chris, stop trying to defend the indefensible.
>
> The fact is, unless a court stops them, Microsoft will continue to
> escalate their leverage of Windows into any and all markets they
> wish to dominate, and with a 90+% market share no one else is
> (or will be) able to compete with that leverage.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:21:05 -0700
In article <7GlT6.8410$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're the one that started bitching about research. I never mentioned
> research.
That's a shame, because I was originally replying to Mike's post about
government funded software research. You can go back and read it in its
entirety if you want, but to save you the effort I'll post the relevant
comments below so you don't have to do any real work.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:mTZR6.38033$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... "I'm kind of
confused here, but clearly not as much as you. Rational people can draw a
distinction between purchasing a product and funding research. "
And...
"I think Ballmer has a point. It seems evident to me that if government
funds are used to support software research, the results of that research
should be, in most cases, public domain. "
>You were replying to a comment about Software, not research.
Not once, but twice, Mike speaks of research. Explain how exactly I have
gone off on a tangent replying about research when the person I was
replying to was specifically discussing research?
> You mean as a moron.
No thanks, I have no need to descend to your level.
> Admit that you're wrong. You went of on a tangent without even
> realizing it.
Sorry, you're due no such admission. Research was clearly mentioned
twice. I have quoted the relevant portions for you, and for the rest of
COLA to read. I'll let you argue it with them; I'm done with you. You
may have the last word if you want; but it won't help.
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Subject: Re: Windows advocate of the year.
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 07 Jun 2001 22:19:48 -0400
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > That's why I like Mac OS X. This thing combines a nice desktop system
> > with an open source system underneath.
>
> And don't forget the propierty hardware, too. :-D
> Give me MacOSX on x86, with a wide-enough range of drivers, and I'll
> probably get it, but I've just spend quite a bit of money on AMD, I'm not
> getting a PPC in the next three years, that is for certain.
Ooops, I forgot about that. I've heard of an effort underway to port
Darwin to x86, though.
Quote from http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/faq.html:
Q. I heard that Darwin runs on Intel processor-based PCs. Is that true?
A. Yes, and we're partnering with the Darwin developer community to
enhance support for this platform.
http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/todo.html
x86 Drivers
Currently, there is limited support vast number devices avaible
on the x86 platform. Pick your favorite and submit a driver.
So, if they do succeed in porting Darwin to Intel, it'd be interesting
to see if Apple _does_ release an x86 version of OS X. I'd think that
they'd probably wait to see if the x86 version of Darwin matures
first. Even then, I wouldn't get my hopes up. (It's probably one of
those deals where they'd like to sell their own HW, so by releasing OS
X on x86, they'd be giving people an incentive NOT to move to their
proprietary platform.)
Sounds like an interesting developer project, though. (Damnit, but I
belong to too many mailing lists already, so I'm not going to join.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 03:08:16 +0200
In article <3b14069b$0$94306$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> > Don't forget security, of which the MacOS has none.
>>
>> Mac OS-X is based on BSD-unix (Darwin)...
>
> [snip irrelevant]
>
> we're talking about currently shipping MacOSes, not lala-ware.
So where does that leave M$ when it comes to security? At the
bottom of the pile.
--
Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
looking any better.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: I propose a GPL change...
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 Jun 2001 02:22:05 GMT
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:27:49 -0600, Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:02:24 +0100, "Donal K. Fellows"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Dave Martel wrote:
>>> Since Microsoft so despises the GPL, I propose that the GPL be changed
>>> to prevent the use of GPL'd software on any Microsoft OS! ;o)
>>
>>You have, of course, missed the point of free software entirely.
>
> I'm just getting tired of seeing threads where some lintroll says
> "yeah, but Windows doesn't have a decent free XYZ application" and a
> wintroll responds "Yes we do, it's ported from linux!"
>
> Gates whines about GPL as a virus but what's this one-way deal with
> Windows apps? Windows users can run linux apps native (compiling them
> with the ported gcc) but linux users can't run Windows apps native.
> (Well, except for the ones that work under WINE, and from what I hear
> that rules out a lot of apps)
>
> Now I ask you, is that fair?
>
Good point Dave, and I have had grown tired of the same things myself,
but Donal has a point too. I suppose if it was easy to sort out, it would
already have been.
Personaly I'd like to see RMS comment on this :)
.....................off topic ..............................
Hahahah as a side note, Ive just compiled and installed the latest SLRN
Ver 0.9.7.1 and when I tried to post this reply it gave me this
message :-
Your message breaks the following netiquette guidelines:
Please keep your signature short. 4 lines is a commonly accepted limit.
heheheh, I have the option to force it to post, which I've done, but I
guess AK will find this version a little hard to live with ;-)
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 Jun 2001 02:29:01 GMT
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:56:16 GMT, flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 01:06:55 +0200, "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.jokeaday.com/7letters.shtml
>>
>>It's on a mailing list I'm subscribe to.
>>The post-master sent an email about AOL.EXE being a virus, and urge people
>>to delete it, and post some of the replies in the above URL.
>>
>>Here are a couple of the most amusing replies:
>>
>>"I beleive that this is a hoax. Isn't AOL.exe a vital component to the
>>window's operating system? "
>>
>>"No!! Any file ending in .EXE is a necessary file to your computer. Wherever
>>you got that information they're wrong. You need that file. I have learned
>>this the wrong way. Don't delete any file ending in .EXE Please pass this on
>>to everybody."
>>
>
>
> And the Linvocates expect these people to edit config files and run
> Linux?
We expect those Windows users who are proud to be ignorant, to remain so.
Read my followup to the original post, re Windows hoaxes and SFFNBK.EXE
, and it should be clear, even to you, that ignorance will bite you
sooner or later, and even Windows cant protect you there.
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux is shit
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 Jun 2001 02:43:06 GMT
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:57:02 +0100, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I assumed this happend to you?
>> Yep, tho I did use it to print 250 pages a month for 5 years, and made
>> about $12500 from it :)
>
> That's quite good going.
Actually it was $3500 for the Access database design, and $150 a month
to print 1000 statements, each 1/4 strip of an A4 page, guilotined
from the std A4 stock, The Epson Stylus was modified by me to take these
thin strips, which resylted in the heads flying back and fro only over
that particular area.
<snip>
>> I wonder if a roller kit is available?
>
> I don't know. I think it's the mechanism to lift bthe paper on t the
> rollers at the back that's a little sticky. Some oil might fix it.
Oil on paper is not a nice look, thin grease perhaps?
personally I think the roller surface has become 'smoothed' by years
of paper pulling, and that why it wont pickup properly ?
You could remove the roller and put it in a lathe, and use some fine
sandpaper to ruff it up again ?
If this is it, then most of your other rollers will be in a similar state
and a roller kit would be cool. Hp make them for their lasers.
> That is pretty poor service. I was also deeply disappointed with the
> manual for the 930c. The manual for the 500 was 5x as thick and in 1
> language instead of 10, so it had a lot more content. The manual actually
> contained the entire definition of PCL4 amongst other things. The new
> manual tells you to check if the printer is plugged in. Definitely a big
> drop in quality there.
Yep, HP is a shaddow of its former self.
<snip>
>> I'm not supprised, as every printer I have tried under Linux, has
>> worked.
>
> Oddly enough, same here.
>
>> Just as well I'm not a fish ;-)
>
> Or a square "Dr".
Hahahah!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 Jun 2001 02:46:08 GMT
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:50:20 GMT, Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said JS \ PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:48:28 -0400;
>> [...]
>> >Come on, your talking to a guy that's running Windows 95 and is pissed
>> >because it sucks, but he's too broke to run anything else so he's blaming
>> >Microsoft. That's Max in a sentence.
>>
>> That's the anonymous troll "JS \ PL" in a paragraph. A random insult
>> thrown my way to try to make up for all the spankings I've given you.
>>
>> Guffaw.
>>
>
> Your using Forte Agent 1.8/32.548, which is ONLY available on Windows
> 9x/NT. There is NO Linux version of Forte Agent, last time I checked,
> which was a few weeks ago. Unless you care to explain it...
>
>
You're using Outlook Express, so what ?
Max could easily be running Agent under Wine for Linux, and you wouldnt
know. He could have modified his headers.
But hes using Windows, and Agent, so what ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 03:58:11 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Folks, it's a sad day for IBM supporters because apparently they have
> succumbed to the gay pressure and are mobilizing to support this
> deviant lifestyle.
<snip>
> So what do ya'll think?
You're a homophobe.
> I find it disgusting that IBM will give benefits to homo's living
> together as if they are married yet 2 heterosexual partners will not
> get the same benefits not that I believe in cohabitation before
> marriage, but you get the idea.
Yep, no doubt about it.
> Only God almighty has the power to judge and his judgement is swift
> and fast.
And which god are you referring too? In India there are over 300 million
gods. As for any god's 'power to judge and his judgement' being swift I
have seen no evidence of this in my 50 years on this planet. Can you give
some examples?
--
Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
looking any better.
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:36:34 -0400
From: Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
> http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html
I actually think something like this is a good idea, IF IT'S UNDER THE
CONTROL OF THE USER, and IF IT DOES NOT DISTURB THE APPEARANCE OF THE PAGE.
Unfortunately MS will undoubtedly use this as yet another advertising /
marketing vehicle. all occurences of "Groupware" will be highlighted
with a link to MS-Exchange, etc.
My idea was a browser feature that would allow you to highlight any
content, right-click, and then from a context menu select any of a
number of options to operate on that text:
- search for term in google (or other search engine)
- search for term in dictionary.com, or glossary services
- if a typo of factual error, send message to webmaster containing the
incorrect content, with a hyperlink to exact location of error, and
optionally the correction. ideally this would tie into a server-side
feature that would allow the webmaster to simply approve the correction,
and the correction is automatically made.
- some other stuff that I can't recall right now :-)
Microsoft will, of course, crap all over this concept and further polute
standards in the process. It will be MS-centric, and it will change
the appearance of the web page.
I shouldn't have to embed meta tags in my web pages to keep MS from
corrupting them from their intended appearance.
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:38:36 -0400
From: Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
The editorial sums it up pretty well:
Microsoft's Internet Explorer Smart Tags are something new and
dangerous. They mean that the company that controls the Web browser is
using that power to actually alter others' Web sites to its own
advantage. Microsoft has a perfect right to sell services. But by using
its dominant software to do so, it will be tilting the playing field and
threatening editorial integrity.
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From: cash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Capability
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:57:18 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AOL instant messenger has been ported to Linux. Goto www.aim.com, and get
the details.
Glitch wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "WJP"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I have relatives in another state that use AOL software exclusively for
>> their internet connection. This appears to me to be a stumbling block
>> for me to completely get rid of Windows from my PC's. (Those relatives
>> have no intention of switching to Linux or getting away from "AOL
>> H***"). I am vaguely familiar with VMWare and wine, however, those
>> programs still require Windows to be installed ( unless I misunderstand
>> the way these programs are "set up"). Heck, if I have to have Windows
>> installed to run either one of those, I might as well continue using the
>> AOL software "within" Windows. Does anyone know if there is Linux-based
>> software which can be used to provide interface with AOL's software?
>> Does Netscape for Linux have the AOL Instant Message capability?
>>
>
> Why would you use AOLIM from Netscape? Launch the app by itself.
>
> And yes, download GAIM or Jabber. I think with Jabber(or maybe it's
> Everybuddy) if you download the
> plugins you can talk to people using icq, yahoo messenger or MSN.
> Just do searches on freshmeat.net . A ton of programs will pop up.
>
>> You may be wondering why I asked these questions in a Linux advocacy
>> news group. The reason is thusly: I agree that most Linux
>> distributions provide numerous applications in their "bundles", however,
>> unless there are program capabilities included to cover situations such
>> as described above, the requirement for Windows installs will continue -
>> regardless of what a person, such as myself, would prefer to install. In
>> other words: I cannot "safely" tell my wife that she can no longer talk
>> on-line with her sister just because I want to be "Windows free".
>>
>
> too bad so many people use AOL shit. I gues people never thoguht there
> might be something better out there.
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I propose a GPL change...
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 05:52:21 +0200
"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> like in the vorbis case you mentioned above? You said that there is much
> GPL'd S/W that violates patents, can you give an example of some ?
GIMP and the GIF algoritm, IIRC.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows advocate of the year.
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 05:57:57 +0200
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > That's why I like Mac OS X. This thing combines a nice desktop system
> > > with an open source system underneath.
> >
> > And don't forget the propierty hardware, too. :-D
> > Give me MacOSX on x86, with a wide-enough range of drivers, and I'll
> > probably get it, but I've just spend quite a bit of money on AMD, I'm
not
> > getting a PPC in the next three years, that is for certain.
>
> Ooops, I forgot about that. I've heard of an effort underway to port
> Darwin to x86, though.
I'm not sure how the OSX is achitect, but if they did it in any sane way,
then Darwin would mask the UI from the platform.
This mean that they would've a much easier time porting it.
Please note that just getting Darwin is nice, but it's not what would get
people to try OSX.
The reason people want OSX is the UI, because it's a Unix that they can use
without the leaning curve.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:05:02 +0200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:13:06 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >> Run menu, CLI? I thought we were talking about how to do it on a
GUI?
> >> >
> >> >Yes? And your point *is*?
> >>
> >> The poster I was replying to was mentioned how they would be done at a
> >> command line.
> >
> >You were replying to me.
>
> Oh sorry.
>
> >And yes, you can launch GUI applications fromt he CLI, you can give them
> >parameters.
> >You can also do it from the run menu.
>
> But they are CLIs, and we are discussing launching things from a GUI.
So? That is why you've the run menu.
And the most common case is to work on the CLI *from withint the GUI*.
> >The most common case is shortcuts, though.
>
> You could do that, but it's a bit of an arse to create/edit a shortcut
> just to change a bit of a parameter.
I usually create a couple of shortcuts, or menu items (easier).
Right click on a .Doc file, you see the open, print, etc? That is done by
setting command line parameters for each command.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:07:03 +0200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:15:30 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >But someone *still* has to write this documentation, you know.
> >> >And you need to *support* them.
> >>
> >> As far as I'm aware, documentation for said shells has already been
> >> written.
> >
> >Not for Windows.
> >You'll find that the terminology and the language of Windows'
documentation
> >is different from other OS'.
> >Folder vs Directory, frex.
> >
> >And are they up to the standards of Windows documentation?
>
> Actually, I don't see the point in porting any shells to windows.
> Windows is a GUI orientated OS, and there's not a lot you can do from
> the command line apart from launching things and basic file
> manipulation.
You can do a lot from the CLI.
You just nead to delve into it and learn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: 8 Jun 2001 03:07:10 GMT
Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On 8 Jun 2001 01:42:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>
>> >>flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:37:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I think it's lousy when employers take a stand on this sort of thing,
>> >>>>one way or the other. Where I work we have annual "sensivity
>> >>>>training." They tell us that what we mean when we speak is irrelavant;
>> >>>>it's how our words make people feel that determines whether the
>> >>>>words are punishable.
>> >>
>> >>> I agree.
>> >>
>> >>> I have several friends who work for IBM and they are quite upset about
>> >>> all of this.
>> >>> To quote one male friend of mine:
>> >>
>> >>> "I'd love to se their (IBM's) faces if I showed up wearing a mini
>> >>> skirt and pumps one day"
>> >>
>> >>They wouldnt bat an eye, and if you actually did have a friend who worked
>> >>for IBM (which you dont, this is more than confirmable, as is your gender;
>> >>which is male, as is your age, which is older than you probably wish you
>> >>were, as is your identity, etc, etc, etc)
>> >>
>> >>IBM has the same policy about transsexuals. Dipshit.
>>
>> > Call Renee Brown at 212-745-3626 and ask HER about IBM's gay and
>> > lesbian policy.
>>
>> What ill do instead is call her and let her know that you just posted her
>> real name and phone number to usenet, accessable to the entire planet.
>>
>> I cant wait to see what she says.
>>
>> -----.
>>
>> --
>> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>>
>> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
> Make sure you keep that .sig when if you email her.
> --
> - Brent
It is useful to keep in mind that my sig file is *satire*.
And the person whom I am quoting is quite brilliant, and not homophobic
in the least.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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