Linux-Advocacy Digest #86, Volume #35 Sat, 9 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Here's a switch for a change (flatfish+++)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Peter Hayes)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Greg Cox)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning. (Form@C)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning. (Form@C)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("JS \\ PL")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Desktop Linux (Jesse F. Hughes)
Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE and Gnome are totally 80s (mlw)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:16:23 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ftede$st3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:38:57 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > My latest disaster with NT was a box set up as an ftp
> > > server by someone who follows the updates and patches
> > > pretty closely but it still ended up with a directory named
> > > 'PRN' last weekend that couldn't be removed and a bunch
> > > of hidden files under it that half the world was downloading,
> > > consuming most of our internet bandwidth. Security?
> >
> > You know, I had that happen to me years ago on a Unix box. I quickly
> > figured out how to make "write only" upload directories so people could
> > still send me stuff but the kiddies wouldn't be able to use the machine
> > as a drop box (anonymous could upload but couldn't see or read the
> > files he uploaded).
> >
> > When it happened to our NT server at the office just a couple of months
> > ago, I explained the concept to our NT admin. She finally ended up
> > just shutting down the ftp server altogether, saying that she couldn't
> > find a way to make it work securely.
> >
> > I'm thinking that there has got to be a way to do this with NT, what
> > with ACL's and all. Any pointers from the Winvocates?
>
> She didn't know how to do it?
> Strange, it's very easy.
> Okay, here is how do to it:
>
> cacls *.* /t /p Everyone:W
>
> This should turn all the files (and all sub directirues) to write only.
A filesystem where no one can update files is pretty useless.
How can I make it impossible to write via ftp but still allow
the customer support people who are updating files for
download to write on the shared directory? (The anon
ftp account was only supposed to have read access but
that wasn't enough to protect it).
I'll probably move ftp access to a unix box with the directory
nfs-mounted read only from another server that shares via
samba to the updaters.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:18:52 GMT
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:13:08 +0800, "Todd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So he'll probably spend about a week *trying* to get Linux to *install* on
>his system only to find out he can't run shit.
>
>-Todd
That's what I figure and then he'll be back screaming about Linux as
well.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:01:19 +0200
Terry Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 11:33:10 +0200, Mart van de Wege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> My shiny new 2nd hand laptop (an IBM Thinkpad 600x) immediately got
>> kernel 2.4.5 on it. Reboot and 'What's that kernel process doing, eating
>> up some 25% of cpu time?'
>> Turns out that the 2.4 series have something called "kapmidled" which
>> does nothing but IDLE calls to the CPU in the kernel's idle loop, in
>> order to save power.
> How can it 'save power'when its using 25% cpu ??
By making a bios call to slow the cpu once every time round its busy
loop.
>> Otherwise both my desktop and my laptop stay under 3% CPU utilization
>> when idle, and that is with X, Gnome and the Gnome CPU/Mem usage applet
>> running.
Well, that rather illustrates that they are on high power.
I don't like apmidled either, but look at the kernel code and you will
see what it is intended to do. I'm not convinced it does it, though!
What if the bios does not support the bios call being made?
Peter
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:24:03 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:28:25 +1000, "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:43:57 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)) wrote:
> >
> > >On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:28:01 GMT, Jonas Due Vesterheden
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <9fbdk1$5mf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ian Pegel wrote:
> > >
> > >> > I'm kind of new to Linux, I like what I see so far - my only
> > >> > reservation is leaving apps like Dreamweaver and Photoshop behind.
> > >
> > >> Have you tried the alternatives to these programs?
> >
> > >The de-facto Photoshop alternative for Linux would be GIMP. Most
> > >distros seem to come with it.
> >
> > But it's nowhere near as good as PSP
>
> Well it depends on what you want it to do isn't it?
> I know you can't do screen capture with PSP but with GIMP it's a piece of
> cake.
Of course you can do a screen capture with PSP. There's even a "capture"
menu up front on the menu bar - sheesh...
But anyone who thinks PSP is even close to Gimp needs their head examined.
Peter
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:39:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Said Dan Pidcock in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:10:16
> >I think that Philip is talking about the law suit that apple brought
> >against MS alleging they 'stole' the look and feel of MacOS for use in
> >windows rather than for a program. They failed, and Xerox then sued
> >Apple saying they had 'stolen' the look and feel of a GUI from Xerox'
> >work at PARC.
>
> That last part about Xerox is a myth. Apple did have an agreement with
> Xerox concerning their use of the PARC work as a basis for their GUIfied
> OSes, but that was all years before the "look and feel" suite, and
> nobody got sued, AFAIK.
>
>
AFAIK there never was an agreement between Xerox and Apple for "look and
feel" of a GUI interface. But Xerox did sue Apple over "look and
feel" after Apple lost their "look and feel" suit against Microsoft but
the judge tossed it out in March 1990. See:
http://www.me.utexas.edu/~me179/topics/copyright/case2articles/case2artic
le5.html#In
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:38:44 +0200
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> No, because people who use Windows are generally grounded and have
> nothing to prove or attack. Whereas Penguinistas seem to be attacking
> something or feel like they have something to prove. Windows advocates
> are just interested in realism and getting the job done, not being
> "l33t" or out to prove exactly how much they hate "M$" so their
> friends will like them more.
>
What about people who use *both* , that is linux and windows?
I do, as I must, because Iīm a programmer. I know several others who
also use both.
What about them? None of them is saying anything good about windows,
because it sucks, and they experience it all day (at least I do, as do the
others I know about).
Are those less /grounded/ than a Chad Myers, local SSH-guru (windows
has no SSH, only a braindead Telnet).
Peter
--
If Windows is the answer then it probably has been a stupid question
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:45:44 +0200
T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be very interested in knowing how this is going. I will point
>>> out that Scandinavia is rather socialist, so it doesn't have to be
Go to scandinavia and tell them that. You will get a good laugh.
Get an education and then come back to us.
>>> efficient to run a big ISP on a mainframe for them to do it with some
>>> success. On the balance, I would guess this is just a stupid idea by
>>> silly people with no regard for fiscal responsibility.
>>>
Telia is not a governnment owned company, so your assessment is just
talking out of your ass. You donīt know the facts, but that does not stop
you in any way to tell your Bull.
Peter
--
If Windows is the answer then it probably has been a stupid question
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:51:47 +0200
drsquare wrote:
>>>
>>> Kulkis got dumped by his boyfriend?
>>
>>
>>I only go out with females, you ass-reamed moron.
>
> I doubt any female would want to go out with you.
>
Nope, those that otherwise want $5 for their job would do it.
But they will demand a hike in the price to about $50.
(And that if Aaron keeps his hands off them. Otherwise it will
be more about $500)
Peter
--
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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Subject: Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:59:30 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
news:9fu323$m9v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
<snip>
> Okay, so you got routers capable of IPv6, it won't be wide-spread use
> until MS support it.
> Beside, MS putting IPv6 in the OS will give the IPv6 supporters a lot
> more power when pushing the routers manufacterers.
>
perhaps the wrong group to ask but...
anyone any idea if M$ is putting it into the XP release?
<ducks to avoid flaming arrows etc... ;-) >
--
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:09:53 +0100
> > So, its the anal intercourse you dont like, or only if its between two
> > men?
>
> it's the SPREADING OF DISEASE which I don't like.
>
> >
> > --
> > Rick
>
Cannot ANY form of intercourse spread disease? Or have health care
proffesionals simply been lying to us?
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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Subject: Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:08:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C) wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
<snip>
>
> perhaps the wrong group to ask but...
>
> anyone any idea if M$ is putting it into the XP release?
>
><ducks to avoid flaming arrows etc... ;-) >
>
doh! - I should have read Chad's reply fron thursday! - sorry folks...
--
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:09:16 -0400
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ydwU6.35222$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "JS \ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:25:42 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > ("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > >
> > > >"JS \ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >>
> > > >> I wasn't including programs, I was listing the "per mb" cost of the
> > > >Windows
> > > >> footprint on an 80 gb hard drive, which works out to a mere $2.60.
> Most
> > > >> people don't have to get a larger hard drive to install XP though
> since
> > > >it's
> > > >> footprint is merely 1 gb.
> > > >
> > > >I'm chocking here.
> > > >*Mere* 1 GB? There is not such thing as *mere* GB, for crying out
loud.
> > > >
> > > >Do you remember about 5 years ago?
> > > >When 2GB HD were the hottest item? And all of Windows was 35MB on
disk,
> > > >100MB installed?
> > >
> > > Yeah, but JP \ PL thinks you can buy a 1GB hard disk for $2.60
> >
> > Actually I didn't say that. Your just not bright enough to read very
well.
>
> You mean you were being deliberately deceptive.
>
> > What I said was (for the third time), the storage portion XP requires on
> an
> > 80gb drive which currently sells for $208 at pricewatch.com is about
> $2.60.
> > Get it yet Einstein? The cost to store Windows XP is $2.60.
>
> If the cost is $2.60, why do you have to pay $208?
> Now tell us again how much it really will cost you to get that
> 60M EDO RAM raised up to the 64M you need just to run
> the OS, and just for fun, tell us what it would cost to give
> that machine the 128M minimum you would need to run some
> apps. And please use real costs this time and be realistic about
> the fact that you will have to toss your old SIMMs and replace
> the whole set.
I don't have to toss anything, or buy anything. My cost is zero. I have it
running on a computer I bought several YEARS ago. So how much did it REALLY
cost? $0.00
Didn't even cost me the $2.60, it runs on 60MB EDO RAM. MY cost to provide
it with enough ram = $0.00. It runs every app I throw at it. And I might
add, it runs quite a bit FASTER than Mandrake ran on the same exact computer
last weekend. Talk about slow! My god! I'm usually pretty patient when it
comes to Linux's shortcommings but my god I had to get it off that box.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:16:15 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> drsquare wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:42:12 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In comp.os.linux.advocacy, flatfish+++
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >>>> And poisoning a childs mind is sick....
> > >>>
> > >>>Please could we end this OT debate here ?
> > >>
> > >>HITLER...
> > >>
> > >>How's that :)
> > >
> > >No, I think one has to accuse one's opponent of being a Nazi.... :-) :-)
> >
> > OK then, Kuntis is a fucked up, bigoted, right-wing Nazi.
>
> That's what ALL Communists call their opponents.
Have you ever considered joining the human race you disgusting piece of
SHIT?
>
> >
> > Is the thread now finished?
>
> Nope.
>
> You have to accuse your opponent of BEING Hitler.
>
> Of course, since you are going to do it for the deliberate purpose of
> ending the thread, then the law does NOT go into effect.
>
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:19:07 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> flatfish+++ writes:
> >
> > flatfish> On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:00:14 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Fear makes a person small.
> >
> > flatfish> And poisoning a childs mind is sick....
> >
> > Yes, lead poisoning is a bad thing.
> >
> > However teaching kids about homosexuality is nothing
> > like that.
> >
>
> You're right. It's much worse.
>
For 10 minutes could you stop being retarded, and explain in RATIONAL
TERMS wht is wrong with homosexuality? (Any statistics you use must be
fully referenced and independently verifiable)
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:15:30 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:HmwU6.35224$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ftede$st3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:38:57 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My latest disaster with NT was a box set up as an ftp
> > > > server by someone who follows the updates and patches
> > > > pretty closely but it still ended up with a directory named
> > > > 'PRN' last weekend that couldn't be removed and a bunch
> > > > of hidden files under it that half the world was downloading,
> > > > consuming most of our internet bandwidth. Security?
> > >
> > > You know, I had that happen to me years ago on a Unix box. I quickly
> > > figured out how to make "write only" upload directories so people
could
> > > still send me stuff but the kiddies wouldn't be able to use the
machine
> > > as a drop box (anonymous could upload but couldn't see or read the
> > > files he uploaded).
> > >
> > > When it happened to our NT server at the office just a couple of
months
> > > ago, I explained the concept to our NT admin. She finally ended up
> > > just shutting down the ftp server altogether, saying that she couldn't
> > > find a way to make it work securely.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking that there has got to be a way to do this with NT, what
> > > with ACL's and all. Any pointers from the Winvocates?
> >
> > She didn't know how to do it?
> > Strange, it's very easy.
> > Okay, here is how do to it:
> >
> > cacls *.* /t /p Everyone:W
> >
> > This should turn all the files (and all sub directirues) to write only.
>
> A filesystem where no one can update files is pretty useless.
In this case, everyone can update, but no one can read.
> How can I make it impossible to write via ftp but still allow
> the customer support people who are updating files for
> download to write on the shared directory? (The anon
> ftp account was only supposed to have read access but
> that wasn't enough to protect it).
Uncheck the "Enable write" in the FTP configuration.
Set the permissions so IUSR_MachineName has read only access, too.
(IUSR is the default anonymous connection, you might want to change that,
though).
Then share the FTP directory and give the customer people write access.
Is that good enough for you?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:22:04 +0100
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > mlw wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> flatfish+++ wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:50:05 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >For the record, I'm not gay, and think the idea of being with another man is
> >> >> > >repugnant. Those are my personal feelings and it certainly is not my, nor
> >> >> > >anyone else's, place to judge anyone based on personal feelings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wait until they try to teach "alternate lifestyles" to your children
> >> >> > in school.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fear makes a person small.
> >>
> >> > We have a special word for people who don't recognize danger............
> >>
> >> Recruits?
>
> > Absolutely not.
>
> > Basic training is all about recognizing, alleviateing, and combating
> > dangers of all sorts.
>
> Its actually all about volunteering to die for absolutely no reason at
> all.
>
> -----.
"The old lie,
Dulce et decorem est pro patria mori"
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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Subject: Re: Desktop Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesse F. Hughes)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:22:56 GMT
"Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> What's really pathetic is that a lot of UNIX folks still think TeX is
> an "advanced" and "powerful" system.
Golly, so do I. At least, I would not like to typeset mathematics on
anything else. I'm very pleased with LaTeX.
I must be pathetic.
--
Jesse Hughes
"The only 'intuitive' interface is the nipple. After that, it's all
learned." -Bruce Ediger on X interfaces
"Nipples are intuitive, my ass!" -Quincy Prescott Hughes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:27:40 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> "." wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "." wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > "." wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> > "." wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> >> > mlw wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> flatfish+++ wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:50:05 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > >For the record, I'm not gay, and think the idea of being with
>another man is
> > >> >> >> >> > >repugnant. Those are my personal feelings and it certainly is not
>my, nor
> > >> >> >> >> > >anyone else's, place to judge anyone based on personal feelings.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Wait until they try to teach "alternate lifestyles" to your children
> > >> >> >> >> > in school.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Fear makes a person small.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > We have a special word for people who don't recognize danger............
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Recruits?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Absolutely not.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Basic training is all about recognizing, alleviateing, and combating
> > >> >> > dangers of all sorts.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Its actually all about volunteering to die
> > >>
> > >> > The purpose of military is NOT to die for one's country....
> > >>
> > >> > or, as the DI in "Full Metal Jacket" so eloquently put it:
> > >>
> > >> > " [describing a screw up] and then you'll be DEAD Marines....and then you'll
> > >> > REALLY be in a world of shit, because Marines don't die without permisssion."
> > >>
> > >> >> for absolutely no reason at all.
> > >>
> > >> > Do you enjoy your constitutional freedoms?
> > >>
> > >> > a) no
> > >> > B) YES
> > >>
> > >> > If so, thank a soldier.
> > >>
> > >> Oh and by the way, how exactly were you defending my constitutional freedom
> > >> in saudi arabia?
> >
> > > Simple.
> >
> > > Freedom to conduct business without your fuel prices being subjected to gouging
> > > by a Moscow-created Hitler-style dictator.
> >
> > Instead theyre subjected to gouging by a US created hitler style OPEC.
>
> Actually, they cut back production at the request of committed Marxist, Bill Clinton.
Do you know what Marxism is?
When you find out, send me a 2000 word essay on why Clinton is a
Marxist.
TIA
Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:31:01 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Ulysses wrote:
> >
> > The header says "Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals" but I
> > don't see anything in any of the posts which might answer that
> > question, so I conclude the posters have nothing to back up their
> > predjudices.
> >
> > In re: the poster who asks what one might do when "they teach
> > alternative lifestyles to your kid", I have to say that since we all
> > live "alternative lifestyles" in one way or another, I welcome the
> > teaching of toleration and comradly feelings generally.
> >
> > In fact, the threat seems to be the folks who, for reasons I certainly
> > don't understand, are terrified by folks with different gender roles
> > than their own.
> >
> > > > We have a special word for people who don't recognize danger............
> >
> > Other than the danger of bigoted, homophobic, religiously
> > fundimentalist (and a crummy form of the religion in question) nazis
> > such as post in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, what danger did you have in
> > mind?
>
> I never gave a shit about them until they started turning themselves
> into modern-day versions of Typhoid Mary.
>
Have you been raped or something?
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE and Gnome are totally 80s
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:33:53 -0400
Ian Pulsford wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
> > [XML rant snipped]
> >
> > XML is nothing more than an over glorified .ini file. Get over it. People who
> > rant and rave about XML as some sort of enabling technology are generally
> > clueless. It is not a programming language, it is not an object language, it is
> > a fairly flexible data transfer language, and nothing more.
>
> It's also a way to make database records resemble a piece of html but, I
> agree.
See that is just one of the stupid misconceptions I have to fight with all the
time. XML is a HORRIBLE way to express data, as anyone who has tried to bring
XML into a SQL database will attest.
It is very difficult to take a hierarchical representation of information and
flatten it out into a relational system. Yet, clueless techno-wannabes assume
because it is in XML it will just work easily.
XML is a great thing for documents, hyperlinks, and simple data, but it is a
BAD BAD BAD way to express a relational database.
> XML has been overly hyped as some new 'special' format.
You bet.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:33:24 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ray Fischer
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote
> > > > on Wed, 16 May 2001 22:30:16 GMT
> > > > <9duuvt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >Robert W Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >>And where is your evidence that people have no choice over their homosexual
> > > > >>behavior?
> > > > >
> > > > >Yeah! You could choose to be interested in men so it's obvious that
> > > > >homosexuals could choose to be interested in women.
> > > > >
> > > > >Right?
> > > >
> > > > One could mimic such behavior to avoid detection; such has been done
> > > > in the past, as I understand it -- even to the point of a
> > > > loveless, or at least sexless, marriage.
> > > >
> > > > This no more makes the homosexual a het, anymore than a woolen overcoat
> > > > makes a wolf a sheep.
> > >
> > > What part of "IT's the BEHAVIOR(*)," do you not understand?????
> > >
> > > (*) not the desire
> >
> > Normally I would not even touch such a string of posts. What two adults do in
> > privacy is no ones business. Who gives a flying fl&^%k what two people do
> > together? Seriously what does it matter?
>
> When two adults spread communicable diseases like Hepatitis and Tuberculosis,
> it is a matter of PUBLIC HEALTH and is EVERYBODY's business.
>
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE FUCK SEXUALITY HAS TO DO WITH T.B.?
AND I WANT TO SEE A CAUSAL CORRELATION HERE.
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