Linux-Advocacy Digest #123, Volume #35 Mon, 11 Jun 01 02:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Goddess")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Argh - Ballmer ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals (Rotten168)
Re: Sack of shit -c (Rotten168)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Rotten168)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Will MS get away with this one? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: A Browser is a Browser ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: "Goddess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:28:12 -0700
"Brock Hannibal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b2435b3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <9g16ij$onq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> >"Brock Hannibal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >> <9fvu1k$skg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >>>> Wouldn't that depend on what exactly you were teaching them
> >>>> about it? While I don't shield my son from the fact that
> >>>> homosexuality exists I don't think I want to teach him that
> >>>> it's desirable or glamorous. I must admit the homosexual
> >>>> lifestyle and sexual behaviors are not something that I want
> >>>> my male child aspiring to. There, afterall, are many
> >>>> consequences of that choice that might not include the kinds
> >>>> of outcomes I want for my son. I think at 10 years old as his
> >>>> gender related sexuality is just emerging, I don't want people
> >>>> preaching the benefits of homosexuality to him. Just as I
> >>>> prefer not to allow people to preach their religions to him.
> >>>> I'll handle teaching him about love, life and religion, the
> >>>> schools can handle teaching him reading, writing and
> >>>> arithmetic, thank you very much.
> >>>
> >>> Lets say, in theory, your son has a pretty normal (well, as
> >>> normal as you can be) hetrosexual up bringing, and learns to
> >>> accept/tolerate people with different sexual preferences, and
> >>> you and your son have an open father-son relationship in which
> >>> your son can talk to about anything. However, hypothetically,
> >>> at the age of, say, 17, he comes to you and says, "dad, I'm
> >>> gay". What would your response be?
> >>>
> >>> Matthew Gardiner
> >>
> >> In all truthfulness I can't say I would be happy about it. I'm
> >> not sure how I would respond, exactly. I wouldn't disinherit him
> >> or anything like that. I would try to make sure he really knew
> >> what all the consequences of his choice would be. That's about
> >> the best I can do in this hypothetical situation.
> >>
> >> None of that has anything to do with the schools teaching about
> >> homosexuality. It's not their role, in my opinion.
> >
> >Personally, if I had a son,
>
> So, you don't have a son, then.
I have a son, two of them in fact.
> > and he came to me and said he was gay,
> >I would neither be disappointed or proud. I would be happy that
> >he was able to "come out" as so to speak, and that he was willing
> >to talk about any issues he may have. I would give him the same
> >advice as as I would give a hetrosexual son, be careful, use
> >contraception, remember that if you need support, that I (as a
> >father) will always be there.
>
> Woulda, shoulda, coulda! You don't have a son. You don't know what it
> feels like to love a son. You don't know how you would react.
I have two sons. I do know how it feels to love a son and it has nothing to
do with his sexual orientation.
> That's the bottom line. Basically you're full of hot air, signifying
> nothing.
No, you are. Thanks for your comments.
Marg
> --
> Brock
>
> "Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
> standin' pat"
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 04:21:12 GMT
"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > > "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not too sure about the NYSE, but I think the NASDAQ,
unfortunately, runs
> > > > > on Windows.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > > >
> > > > NASDAQ's web server is Windows. The computer that actually does the
> > > > trading is a big Unisys mainframe. Microcomputer architecture just isn't
> > > > capable. It's not a Windows verses Linux issue.
> > >
> > > About a year ago it was still Unisys. Last year they announced they were
> > > moving to Win2K Datacenter. I'm not sure if they actually did it, or if
> > > it's complete yet or not, but I would imagine we would've heard about it
> > > if it went south.
> > >
> >
> > Only the front end is running WinDog, the back end is not according to a
> > Information Week article.
>
> It is Unisys
> http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/sn_indices_temp_disrupt_000218.stm
> With 300,000 terminals involved in trading, how could it be losedos?
> NASDAQ requires much more than what a toy operating system like losedos
> can provide.
Well, I don't know about your "losedos", but Unisys seems to be
convinced that Win2K Datacenter is where their company needs to be.
http://www.gartner.com/webletter/microsoft/article4/article4.html
Abbey National decided to give their old mainframes the boot:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/datacenter/evaluation/casestudies/abbey.asp
Financial services? Unix won't cut it here.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/datacenter/evaluation/casestudies/ragnarok.
asp
Won't be long before NASDAQ is running an ES-7000 or a few.
-c
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:42:09 +1200
Sorry, I was looking at it from another angle. Yes, I know see what you
mean, and yes, being gay is no walk in the park. I Hope you don't take any
offence from what I posted prior.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:00:36 -0500
"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <w3UU6.11705$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <2J9U6.9763$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> <snip for brevity>
> >> >
> >> > I don't think this is true. Consider the case of KDE and QT. KDE
> >> > was distributed seperately from QT, and the end user compiled them
> >> > together. RMS still called KDE a violation of the GPL until TrollTech
> >> > released QT under the GPL license as well.
> >> >
> >> Yes, that is true, but it doesn't invalidate my argument. KDE is fairly
> >> worthless without Qt. That is why it was in violation of the GPL,
> >> because it *depended* on a library that was released with an
> >> incompatible license. That was also why some people started work on a
> >> GPL'ed implementation of the Qt API. As I said, my example is a grey
> >> area, but IMO on the right side of it. Of course, YM and that of a
> >> possible judge MV.
> >
> > But a "plug-in" is useless with the application its intended for as
> > well. Only if the app could be used as a stand-alone app could it
> > possibly fall outside the GPL.
> >
> Well as I said, this is the grey area. That's not a problem, except to
> those anal-retentive types who seem to think that the law must be all
> black and white. That's what judges are for, to settle these things, but
> as long as everybody keeps backing down when the FSF threatens legal
> action, their interpretation stands (and it is not entirely clear either
> IMHO).
Considering that the FSF *CREATED* the GPL, one would think that they know
what they meant when they wrote it, and thus their interpretation is what
was intended.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:23:40 GMT
drsquare wrote:
>
> On 09 Jun 2001 20:27:41 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hacker D.)) wrote:
>
> >drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:31:01 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> >> >Have you been raped or something?
> >>
> >> No, his boyfriend's dumped him, that's all.
> >
> >Yeah, Bill Gates has very little time for personal relationships these
> >days... Maybe he'll pump his idol, Dubya, up the ass a couple of
> >times. I know one thing - W. Bush and Aaron both have approximately
> >the same mental capabilities (the IQ of a brick).
> >
> >So Aaron, how does Dubya's semen taste?
>
> Do you mind? I'm trying to have my tea here...
Oh yeah, um, about your tea uhhhh.... ah, nevermind.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sack of shit -c
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:25:26 GMT
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> Chad Myers.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Charlie Ebert wrote:
> > >
> > > How many people feel the -c man is a sack
> > > of shit?
> > >
> > > Sound OFF!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Charlie
> > > -------
> >
> > Who is -c?
> >
> > --
> > - Brent
> >
> > "General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
> > - Darth Vader
> >
> > http://rotten168.home.att.net
I don't know Chad, do you? I only know his internet persona.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:36:52 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not too sure about the NYSE, but I think the NASDAQ,
> unfortunately, runs
> > > > > > on Windows.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > > > >
> > > > > NASDAQ's web server is Windows. The computer that actually does the
> > > > > trading is a big Unisys mainframe. Microcomputer architecture just isn't
> > > > > capable. It's not a Windows verses Linux issue.
> > > >
> > > > About a year ago it was still Unisys. Last year they announced they were
> > > > moving to Win2K Datacenter. I'm not sure if they actually did it, or if
> > > > it's complete yet or not, but I would imagine we would've heard about it
> > > > if it went south.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Only the front end is running WinDog, the back end is not according to a
> > > Information Week article.
> >
> > It is Unisys
> > http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/sn_indices_temp_disrupt_000218.stm
> > With 300,000 terminals involved in trading, how could it be losedos?
> > NASDAQ requires much more than what a toy operating system like losedos
> > can provide.
>
> Well, I don't know about your "losedos", but Unisys seems to be
> convinced that Win2K Datacenter is where their company needs to be.
I don't get this 'losedos' thing? It's obviously a play on MS-DOS...
what does it mean.
> Won't be long before NASDAQ is running an ES-7000 or a few.
Nice. Intel sux0rz.
> -c
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:32:19 +0200
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:rvXU6.12910$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> So it doesn't include everything, and suddenly it's "rewriting history"?
> I only read the Salon article (because I don't have the time to read
> every little moronic anti-MS rambling) and all it said, basically, was
> that MS' coverage of itself was long and of others, short. So what?
> If you want information about IBM, look up IBM. Do you really expect
> MS to spend countless hours chronicling every computer company since
> 1970?
If this is an enciclupedia(sp?), then yes, I most certainly *do* expect it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:36:02 +0200
"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:14:34 +0100, Peter Hayes
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Who were the major players in the early 80's home/office computing
market?
> >IBM/Microsoft with their PC/XT and Apple with the Lisa and Macintosh. DOS
> >and, later, Windows, together with the cloning of the IBM BIOS
outcompeted
> >Apple's closed expensive hardware/software solution.
> >
> >Be ever so slightly grateful to IBM/Microsoft, else we'd be hostage to
> >Apple. With their closed architecture Apple would be far more predatory
than
> >Microsoft.
>
> I don't think so. Apple's always been too disorganized to dominate the
> market for long. Take away IBM/Microsoft and I believe we would have
> seen true competition.
We would've to standartise on something, you know.
Java if there wasn't a common chip/instruction set, API & ABI if there was.
At a bare minimum, we would get source compatability.
Probably a common GUI, too.
People wants to run at home/work what they are running at work/home.
And it help when you've prior experiance in something, you don't have to be
retrained.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:40:21 +0200
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > "Rene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:pwTU6.38562$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > 1.- Is Linux (kernel) programmed on C or C++?
> > > 2.- Is GNOME programmed on C or C++?
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this the wrong place to post this question? Sorry I apologize,
could
> > you
> > > please be so kind to point me to the right news group?
> > >
> > Linux is written in C, like all UNIX's, GNOME, I am not too sure,
however, I
> > do know KDE is written in C++, as they donot require the same low level
> > access as an OS kernel requires.
>
> Why do people always assume that C++ can't do what C can do? It is absurd.
Low
> level access has absolutely nothing to do with it. There is almost nothing
you
> can do in C which can not also be done in C++.
Or vice versa, if you get down to it.
It's a matter what you are more comportable with.
It's not fun to do OO in C. I've never tried to do low level stuff in C++,
but <reinterapt_cast> (misspelled, probably) is not an encouraging concept.
As a note, BS most certainly push to have C++ as all level language.
> The kernel is written in C, although one can write modules in C++ were one
to
> desire to do so.
Most kernels are written in C, FWIW.
> <RANT>
> GNOME is written in C for some stupidly flawed logic. I have yet to see a
> reasonable explanation, with the possible exception that the original
> developers only knew C and decided that ignorance was a better strategy
than
> actually learning about computers and computing languages.
>
> KDE, IMHO, is far more stable BECAUSE it uses C++. GNOME is a pitiful hack
> which attempts an object oriented paradigm who's design criteria directly
> adheres to the strengths of C++, yet they chose not to use C++.
>
> It is a shame that so much development time and effort has been dedicated
to a
> project which was a failure from the very start.
> </RANT>
There is one reason to choose C over C++.
You can use C functions with *everything*, there isn't a language that
doesn't have C binding.
There are plenty that doesn't have C++ binding.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:43:26 +0200
"Rene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:pwTU6.38562$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 1.- Is Linux (kernel) programmed on C or C++?
C, like most kernels.
> 2.- Is GNOME programmed on C or C++?
C, too. I'm sure that someone wrote a C++ wrapper for it, though.
KDE is written in C++, if you are interested.
> Is this the wrong place to post this question? Sorry I apologize, could
you
> please be so kind to point me to the right news group?
Considdering the some of the threads here, your post is actually quite on
topic here.
It's refreshing to see it, too.
If you want to program on Linux, you have a wide wariety of choice, Linux,
like most platforms, has many languages available to it.
Enjoy.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:47:27 +0200
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> somebody wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone else read the latest issue of Linux Magazine? There is an
interview
> > of Dennis Ritchie complete with several photos of him sitting behind his
desk at
> > bell labs.
> >
> > his monitor is clearly visible-- very obviously and very ironically
running
> > ms-windows! LOL, i had to laugh!
>
> *Yawn* (scratches ass). Ironically, the machine in front of him is
> running an OS written in a language co-authored by him. So, he still
> wins either way.
A language which is decended from a language that he co-authored.
A large precentage of Windows is written in either C++ or objective C, I
understand.
But if we are talking about 9x (please don't tell me that he is forced to
use *that*), I wouldn't be surprised if large parts of it are written in
interrupted Basic.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Browser is a Browser
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:54:47 +0200
"Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g0i5l$aab$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> I would presume that the reason for a right-shift is because of the
> situation with some kind of semiwar (at least thats how i see it with the
> info made available by the media - and im not sure the media paints the
> "correct" picture).
Yes, but this makes sense, which is something which is probably forbidden by
law to appear on the middle east.
> I am quite surprised that Sharon has not reacted more "bastant" lately or
> is he becoming more soft with age?
I don't think so.
Sharon wants war just as much as the next man, which happen to be Peres.
He said "Things that you see from here [prime minister POV] you don't see
from there [head of opposition]", and he is correct.
It's refreshing to have a prime minister that isn't so fucked up be
illusions of grandour that can actually think.
Not reacting won more points for Israel than reacting would, and *no one*
believe Arafat, so we are currently waiting for the next bomb to react.
Middle East, wouldn't live any other place. Where do you get this trill of
andrenaline when you are driving? When seating in a bus? When going to the
mall? Visiting a night club?
This group is already overwhelmed by off topic conversations, I think we
should better stop.
If you would like to continue the discusstion, my email is ayende at
softhome dot net.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:57:28 +0200
"Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article
> <ZULU6.71646$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Daniel
> Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dan
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Yes, it does. It adds new hyperlinks to the user's representation of
the
> > > web page. Who controls what hyperlinks are added? Microsoft and
whoever
> > > pays them enough money.
> >
> > Actualy, this part isn't so. As is typical for MS, SmartTags
> > are a plug-in architecture. Anyone who wants to can write
> > new ones.
> >
> > Paying MS is not required.
> >
> > Though MS can and no doubt will provide
> > their own, included as standard.
>
> My main question was "Who controls what hyperlinks are added?"
>
> The answer is "Microsoft and whoever else has enough money to develop
> and distribute their own plugins."
No, the SmartTags SDK is available for free at MS' site.
You can download and roll your own.
> This answer is not "the web page author."
If he feels like investing its time, yes it is.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:59:01 +0200
"Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9g0b3l$7sg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
> <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:%SLU6.71643$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > I'm not sure putting sticky-notes in a copy of
> > > Time *does*, especially if it isn't done except
> > > by consumer, and only at that consumers individual
> > > discresion.
> >
> > IANAL, but I believe that this fall under fair-use laws.
>
> Yes, if I alter my own copy. But if I alter, say, every copy in a
> newspaper box on the street corner?
But you don't.
You've to spesifically ask the browser to do it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:01:24 +0200
"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:11:34 -0400, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Thats NOT the point. If I dont want links on my page, then there should
> >be no links. It is published in a certain way. micro$oft has no right to
> >change the way the page is viewed.
>
> Before a page appears on my browser tracking ads are removed, java and
> ActiveX are commented out, javascript is usually disabled, sound is
> disabled, blinking gifs are made static, cookies are either blocked or
> returned with an obscene message, text is rendered in MY choice of
> fonts and colors, images are frequently disabled, and I've got things
> set up to return erroneous info about my OS, monitor, and browser
> which in turn affects the web-page layout.
>
> Smart Tags is anticlimatic after all that.
What are you using?
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