Linux-Advocacy Digest #134, Volume #35 Mon, 11 Jun 01 14:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Norman D. Megill)
Re: I propose a GPL change... (Dave Martel)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Silly Gnome DNS lookups ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: More funny stuff. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Weasel domination of the desktop (Clarice)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:05:49 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g2c1n$vn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Well, I don't know about your "losedos", but Unisys seems to be
> > convinced that Win2K Datacenter is where their company needs to be.
> > http://www.gartner.com/webletter/microsoft/article4/article4.html
> >
> > Abbey National decided to give their old mainframes the boot:
> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/datacenter/evaluation/casestudies/abbey
> .asp
> >
> >
> > Financial services? Unix won't cut it here.
> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/datacenter/evaluation/casestudies/ragna
> rok.
> > asp
> >
> > Won't be long before NASDAQ is running an ES-7000 or a few.
>
> SO, Chad, honey, what you are saying is that these events were so low key,
> the only coverage that could be given is on their OWN website. Most
> companies I know don't jump onto www.microsoft.com and read the success
> stories. They goto EDS or IBM and get them to design and implement a
> solution.
The press is to busy fashionably bashing MS to cover any of their
achievements.
How many Novell achievements have you heard of lately? They have
quite a few case studies up there. People are using Win2K successfully
(and Novell, I presume). It's just not big news.
Do you trust the major media and slashdot for all your information?
Your head is in the sand farther than I originally thought!
-c
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman D. Megill)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:14:17 GMT
In article <3b24ecd2$0$2600$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jon Johansan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Norman D. Megill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia,
>thrown
>> >onto CD by Microsoft.
>>
>> With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing
>> agenda.
>
>Untrue - prove your claim!
See the links I supplied. Here's another example:
http://www.ddj.com/articles/1998/9803/9803v/9803v.htm
"According to The New Yorker, 'after Microsoft bought the Funk &
Wagnalls encyclopedia and turned it into...Encarta...the entry on Bill
Gates changed.' The clause 'known as a tough competitor who seems to
value winning in a competitive environment over money' was changed to
read, 'known for his personal and corporate contributions to charity and
educational organizations.'"
--Norm
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I propose a GPL change...
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:20:24 -0600
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:02:47 +0100, "Donal K. Fellows"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I truly can't stand is just how much
>better things could be with comparatively little extra effort...
That is exactly what drives me up the wall. With their market position
and all their money and manpower, Microsoft should have been able to
do Truly Great Things. Instead they've set the computer revolution
back 10-15 years and made a lot of users miserable.
Oh, well, they had their chance. Now it's Tux's turn.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:50:35 +0200
Jon Johansan wrote:
>>
>> No, TMax, the one person looking foolish is you.
>> Ayende is advocating Windows, and he has reasons to do it.
>> You may find those reasons invalid, but he does it in a quite pleasant
>> way, very different from Chad Myers and Jon Johanson.
>
> Pleasant or not pleasant (from your point of view) doesn't invalidate
> things Chad or I may say. I don't think I'm unpleasant but I realize that
> I am saying things that people who hate MS and it's products won't like to
> hear. And sometimes I put linux down too and that would be unpleasant to
> those that love it. But, again, that doesn't invalidate the facts.
>
No, you´re just a twit, a dumb one to boot
>
>> He actually knows what he is talking about.
>
> I take offense at that however, I do know what I'm talking about - you may
> just not like what you hear...
>
If you know what you´re talking about, you´ve certainly mastered to hide
that from us all.
>> You, on the other hand, tell us all how vastly superior linux is compared
>> to the stuff MS sells. Yet you do not use linux, you use windows.
>> Seems to be a little contradiction, doesn´t it?
>
> So why not fling your "unpleasant" comments at him then? At least we use
> the products we advocate religiously.
>
You can´t read.
But that was expected.
Peter
--
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably
the day they start making vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:43:14 +0200
>
> Was the Z1 based on vacuum tubes or electronic switches? Or did it use
> mechanical/pneumatic switches?
>
Mechanical. It worked with relays which Zuse himself built.
Quite a show of perseverance, I´d say.
Peter
--
If Windows is the answer then it probably has been a stupid question
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:51:03 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:51:12 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Peter Köhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
> >> Got any numbers? I'm glad to see you think that DVDs are common, but it
> >> seems odd that this isn't the case. Maybe you aren't the ruler of all
> >> reality after all?
> >>
> >Well, I can only speak for germany, but here it is quite rare to find a
> >preconfigured computer without a DVD-drive (Not that I ever would buy
> >such a thingy) . I should guess the same holds true for the US.
> >But maybe in some backwater over there they just discovered that
> >3!/2"" Floppies are even better than 5!/4" ones? And music is (surprise)
> >now also available on strange looking small disks, which won´t play at all
> >on a real good turntable?
>
> Got any statistics on how many computers have DVD drives to back up
> your points? Or are you too busy invading Poland and burning Jews?
C'mon, grow up! This is the 21st century. He wasn't even in existence
back then.
Stereotyping solves nothing.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:58:43 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:15:49 +0100
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:39:00 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> >>"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >>> Why? It's just where you born. It's not like you achieved anything. Your
> >>> parents fucked, and out you popped. It could have been anywhere. So just
> >>> keep that image in mind, next time you feel patriotic, just visualise your
> >>> father hunched over your mother. Which is all it comes down to, really.
> >>
> >>Well, I'm proud to be American.
> >
> >What is their to be proud of.
>
> Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
>
> [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
> [2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less simultaneously.
> [3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
> [4] First man on the moon.
>
> These are the ones that come immediately to mind. There were of course
> some lowlights as well:
>
> [A] Segregation/slavery of blacks. This continued until well into
> the 70's, even though slavery was officially abolished more than
> a century earlier. It's not clear that it's ended even now.
> [B] Isolated incidents such as MOVE, Waco, and the Texas Fremen.
> These indicate (perceived?) injustice, although it's not clear
> how much or by whom.
> [C] Native American massacre during the formative years (this is
> the flip side of [1], above). We may never know the true extent
> of the horror.
> [D] The biggest user (dare I say waster?) of energy in the world.
> 6% of the population consumes half of the energy. We're getting
> better, and our technology may well pull our collective rears
> out of the fire, but it's not something to be proud of.
> We also backed out of the Kyoto accord. While there may have been
> good reasons to do so (it's not clear to me personally), it's
> not going to help our reputation any.
>
> Again, there may be some obvious ones I'm missing.
Let us not forget Nikolai Tesla. Without his advanced thinking we
wouldn't have TV, Radio, solenoids, AC power, etc. He got out of Europe
from the "Impossible, can't be done" crowd. He came to America where he
could freely invent and test. And I have to agree with Tesla about
Edison too.... a screwdriver mechanic.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:59:51 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
>
> Not impressive, people had done more with less beforehand.
>
> > [4] First man on the moon.
>
> And nothing significant ever since.
>
> The whole race to the moon was the biggest, stupidest, most wasteful PR
> campain that has ever taken place in human history.
> A lot of good things came out of it, but to do it for freaking *PR*?
Well, it was more to it than that. USSR had put up the first satellite
that frightened the military and things escalated from there. It was
political.
--
V
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Silly Gnome DNS lookups
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:54:06 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"ipslo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My configuration is the default configuration for Mandrake 7.2, 8.0. If
> I'm not connected to the internet everything is fine. When I'm connected
> to the internet gnome goes to the internet for DNS everytime i open an
> app. Having the IP in the host doesn't prevent it. I know because my
> firewall logs everything. The major problem arises if the internet goes
> down like roadrunner does alot. Gnome becomes completely unable to open
> apps. I have to reboot without the internet to get it running again.
>
Hmm,
I must admit that I don't know the slightest thing on how Mandrake
handles that. Gnome as packaged by Debian doesn't show that behaviour,
but then Debian maintainers tend to err on the side of caution when it
comes to net related stuff.
Have you tried asking in Mandrake related forums? Or the Gnome users
list?
Mart
--
Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
For that icy feel when you start to swerve
John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:00:54 -0700
David Brown wrote:
>
> Todd wrote in message <9fttp8$i7k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >(hehe), we invented the light bulb, transistor, microprocessor, we started
> >the Internet, and a whole bunch more.
> >
>
> Of course, the light bulb was originally Scottish, most of the practical
> work on the foundations of computing was done in Britain (with a number of
> prominent Dutch theorists as well), the web was Swiss, and a whole bunch
> more.
>
> Where would you be without your TV and your Cola, your antibiotics and your
> steam engine? All are Scottish inventions, but I could hardly claim that
> Scotland is a "better" country than the US because of it. Nor could I claim
> it as a personal achievement, as you seem to.
Keep dreaming.... without Tesla none of these electronic marvels would
have happened.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:01:43 -0700
Rotten168 wrote:
>
> David Brown wrote:
> >
> > Todd wrote in message <9fttp8$i7k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >(hehe), we invented the light bulb, transistor, microprocessor, we started
> > >the Internet, and a whole bunch more.
> > >
> >
> > Of course, the light bulb was originally Scottish, most of the practical
> > work on the foundations of computing was done in Britain (with a number of
> > prominent Dutch theorists as well), the web was Swiss, and a whole bunch
> > more.
>
> The WWW is Swiss. I didn't know that! The web is Swiss, but the internet
> is obviously American.
>
> http://www.uselessknowledge.com/explain/edison.shtml
>
> Yeah, you're right about the light bulb too. Interesting.
>
> > Where would you be without your TV and your Cola, your antibiotics and your
> > steam engine? All are Scottish inventions, but I could hardly claim that
> > Scotland is a "better" country than the US because of it. Nor could I claim
> > it as a personal achievement, as you seem to.
>
> Right, I agree. I don't hate the US, it's just that I find patriotism
> distasteful, I'd rather be a citizen of the world.
>
> --
> - Brent
>
> "General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
> - Darth Vader
>
> http://rotten168.home.att.net
Yup... one world government... just where the elite want you to go.
Whats at the end of the line?
--
V
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:49:21 +0200
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g2o7n$5oq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> But *this* is rich, *really* rich.
This is even more.
At my previous job, we were porting a UNIX system to Windows NT using
Microsoft VC++. A colleague of mine, that was in the process of porting his
portion of the code, came to me, looking really upset.
a.. Colleague: "Hey! I hate these Microsoft guys! What a rotten compiler!
It only accepts 16,384 local variables in a function!"
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:03:31 -0700
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> Stuart Fox wrote:
> >
> > Linux advocates told me that Linux with X would run fine on a 486, with
> > 16MB
> > memory so I tried it. It didn't. It ran fine with no X loaded.
> >
> > It was an old PC from work. Sad.
> >
> Yep, it is old. That Graphics card said all about it, *real* old.
> Well, to the 486 - stuff, yes, linux runs pretty good on those.
> But I would certainly not recommend using it for X. It should work,
> although in your case it did not, but it wouldn´t be any fun.
> Note that it still is a good machine to hook your fax-modem unto,
> do your DSL-setup (or cable, or ISDN), stuff like that. Hook several
> CD-drives to it and make a CD-server out of it for your most-used
> CD´s, you get the drift. Just convert it to an small server for the
> everyday-tidbits. Linux is great for this kind of stuff.
>
> By the way, you do *not* need any X-setup on that machine to run
> X-programs. Just run them remotely and display them on a another
> X-Window. Even lame machines like that can do that with a decent
> speed.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
I did it on a 486dx-33 / 24mb memory. Slow but it worked.
--
V
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From: Clarice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.jackie-tokeman,soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.troll-acceptance
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Weasel domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:05:41 -0700
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> Clarice wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> >>
> >> drsquare wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Kulkis got dumped by his boyfriend?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>I only go out with females, you ass-reamed moron.
> >> >
> >> > I doubt any female would want to go out with you.
> >> >
> >> Nope, those that otherwise want $5 for their job would do it.
> >> But they will demand a hike in the price to about $50.
> >> (And that if Aaron keeps his hands off them. Otherwise it will
> >> be more about $500)
> >
> > Are you, Peter Köhlmann, German?
> >
>
> Yes. Why do you ask?
It was an act of whimsy, as I happened to notice your message as
part of one of those strange usenet crosspost currents. Based on
your screen name and ISP I was pretty sure that you're not only
German, but posting from Germany as well. And the question itself
was actually a riff on a line delivered by Bill Murray in the movie
Ghostbusters.
Truthfully, I love your sig line re: weasels and jet engines, thus
my reply. I so rarely come across Germans who makes jokes that I
find lol funny, so I like to encourage that sort of thing.
I am an expatriate German myself and well known among my devoted
usenet fans for ruthlessly mocking Germans and German culture. In
fact, I have my own collection of sig lines attesting to that
particular quirk of mine.
>
> >
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
> >
> > 10 out of 10 ferrets agree with this sig line.
> >
> I´m certain the do
If you don't mind, I'll add this sig line to my own collection.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> If Windows is the answer then it probably has been a stupid question
It had nothing to do with Windows, or Linux, for that matter. It was
the weasels that got my attention.
C.
--
'Genetic engineering is god's way
of correcting
his horrible, horrible mistakes -
like German people'
- South Park
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