Linux-Advocacy Digest #136, Volume #35 Mon, 11 Jun 01 16:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Test your Brain! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Pinocchio Poppins")
Re: Test your Brain! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: which OS is better to learn for an entry level job? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Edward Rosten")
Re: UI Importance ("Edward Rosten")
Re: UI Importance ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Greg Cox)
Re: Here we go again! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: UI Importance (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (drsquare)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (drsquare)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (drsquare)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (drsquare)
Re: KDE and Gnome are totally 80s (drsquare)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (drsquare)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (drsquare)
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. (drsquare)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Test your Brain!
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:11:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:13:31 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> A guy backed me up in a hallway some weeks ago
>> and made the following proclaimation.
>>
>> In the DP environment, if you can't spend
>> the money to solve the problem then the problem
>> wasn't worth solving.
>>
>> This came from a highly respected person from
>> a another company who's worked in mainframes his
>> entire life.
>>
>> What is wrong with this man's thinking!
>
>Actually, he is correct, but the cause and effect is ambiguous to the casual
>listener. Think about it from a return on investment sense.
>
>Evaluate the problem.
>It costs $X to fix.
>It costs $Y to do nothing.
>
>(A) If $X > $Y, it need not be fixed.
To be extrenely pedantic about it, if $X - $Y > $discretion.
>(B) if abs($X - $Y) < $discretion, flip a coin.
>(C) If $Y > $X, fix it.
Again, if $Y - $X > $discretion.
>
>In case (A), it would be hard to justify spending money that has a negative
>return on investment, and no board of directors would OK the spending. This
>situation could easily be expressed as "if you can't spend the money to solve
>the problem, then the problem wasn't worth solving."
Perhaps a better wording would be "if one can't justify spending the
money to solve the problem", etc.
But yes, there's no point in spending money ineffectively.
>
>
>
>>
>> Why don't you post what is wrong with his thinking
>> and perhaps a little story about your companies
>> situation and their policies on spending in the
>> IT arena.
>>
>> My peronal feeling is that this kind of attitude
>> is rare and that most IT people DO NOT TEND to
>> act like nitwits with money.
>
>He isn't being a nitwit, he is being a realist.
--
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From: "Pinocchio Poppins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.aol-sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:01:37 GMT
"Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pinocchio Poppins wrote:
> > In a way, yes. My computer has a 40 GB hard disk, and if I wanted,
> > I could turn on the swap file and get 40 GB of virtual memory with a
> > 128 MB cache.
>
> You need a 64-bit processor
What does "64-bit" mean in this context? The P6 processors
(Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron-A) have three pipelines
(U, V, and W) that can each run a 32-bit integer operation. The P6
core is limited to simple instructions in its V and W pipelines, while
Athlon can run any integer operation in any integer pipeline.
If you're referring to address space, even the Xeon and Itanium
processors only have 36-bit physical addressing (64 GB), and the
chipset generally reserves half of that for card I/O and ROM space.
> (or some horrible tricks that were both developed
> and forgotten again in the '80s)
Not forgotten. Swapping a sleeping process entirely out to disk
is still used in e.g. Solaris.
> And I can assure you that you don't want to swap/page a
> 1GB process between disk and 128MB of memory.
If the process is only using 16 MB of that memory as its
working set, it isn't so bad.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Test your Brain!
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:25:46 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "mlw"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> A guy backed me up in a hallway some weeks ago and made the following
>> proclaimation.
>>
>> In the DP environment, if you can't spend the money to solve the
>> problem then the problem wasn't worth solving.
>>
>> This came from a highly respected person from a another company who's
>> worked in mainframes his entire life.
>>
>> What is wrong with this man's thinking!
>
> Actually, he is correct, but the cause and effect is ambiguous to the
> casual listener. Think about it from a return on investment sense.
>
> He isn't being a nitwit, he is being a realist.
I think you may be missing a point (or mabey I'm just inventing one).
Throwing money at a problem is not always the best way to solve it.
Sometimes small amounts of thought carefully applied can do much more
than a lot of money.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which OS is better to learn for an entry level job?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:28:12 +0100
> First programming language learnt was BBC Basic, followed by AmigaBASIC
^^^^^^^^^
Good choice. One of the best and fastest BASICs ever made. Also one of
the few (only one?) that could cope with memory allocation and pointers.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:30:28 +0100
> Pleasant or not pleasant (from your point of view) doesn't invalidate
> things Chad or I may say. I don't think I'm unpleasant but I realize
> that I am saying things that people who hate MS and it's products won't
> like to hear. And sometimes I put linux down too and that would be
> unpleasant to those that love it. But, again, that doesn't invalidate
> the facts.
The fact that you troll makes most of the stuff you say invalid. Ayende
comes out with decent reasonable, verifyable arguments. You could learn a
lot from him. You just give windows advocates a bad name. You're not as
bad as Chad and his crusade against SSH.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:42:06 +0100
>> > for i in *.zip; do mv $i $(echo $i|sed 's/\(.*\)\.zip/\1.blah/');done
>>
>>
>> > There will now follow a big flame thread about how I'm an idiot and
>> > the above command is completely wrong and will destroy the world.
>>
>> Indedd, this is a religous issue.
>>
>> The one TRUE way is as follows:
>>
>> ls *.zip | sed -e's/\(.*\).zip/mv & \1.blah' | sh
>
> wait - stop - so this is something users are expected to do to rename
> files?
No they are not required to remember this. They can use mv to move/rename
single files. To do bulk renames they could use the DOS style
rename command. The above, however is far, far more flexible and well
worth using. For instance I use the same command (ish) to do a batch job
of processing on a bunch of files, using a command other than mv. That is
the beauty of it: using a few small well defined components, ie ls, sed
sh and piping, you can not only build up complex commands, but create new
commands that no one else has created in a single line.
It also illustrates why the CLI should not be abandoned since you
couldn't do something like it easily in a GUI. Still, if the user wishes,
(s)he is prefectly able to do it the slow and boring way :-)
> And someone somewhere still thinks the unix shell is "a good thing" ?
If you can find me a faster, better, shorter and easier[*] way to do it,
then, by all means please tell me.
And yes, I do think the UNIX shell is a good thing because for those take
the time to learn it, it is extremely powerful and flexible. However, no
one is obliged to use it, so it doesn't make life hard for the people who
can't take the time to learn it.
So why do you want to get rid of the UNIX shell? It doesn't do you any
harm but it does do me a lot of good. Do you just want to be vindictive
to me?
[*]You'd have a hard job making it much easier, since I know sed pretty
well.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:45:19 +0100
>> > Then again, how can you fault the OS when the user makes a mistake? I
> mean,
>> > if I use the CLI and mistype something and accidently delete these
>> > files instead of those files cause I put a * where a ? should have
>> > been - is
> that
>> > the OS's fault or the users? I think we know the answer.
>>
>> That can also happen in a GUI - especially new users not yet that
>> comfortable using the mouse. Last week a lady called my because she
>> accidebtly moved the Program Files folder. A smart system should not
>> have allowed her that in the first place...
>
> And what "smart" system will prevent her from typing rm * ?
Same as Win2K and WinXP: not running as root will really limit the damage.
>> Secondly, by using aliases, I have created a "safe" way of deleting
>> files (with the rm command in Linux). It now moves files to a trash
>> directory, from where all files older then 3 months gets permenantly
>> deleted, using a cron job.
>
> fortunately Windows has an even better system than that. "Deleted" files
> are moved to a recyler directory where files are only deleted on a
> as-space-is-needed basis (you control how much).
Um, name one way in which this is better. Looks like the files are
deleted as and when this user needs them and his choice on the matter is
every 3 months. How is this less good than windows---after all, he could
remove the cron job and do it by hand.
This brings me on to another inconsistency in windows---the recycle bin
doesn't work from the command line.
-Ed
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:45:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:39:09
> >"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> ah, I can hear it all again - 640k is enough for anyone.
> >
> >huh? What does that have to do with anything?
>
> It shows how much Microsoft's technical deficiencies can slow the
> progression of increasing hardware resources. In consideration of how
> long the need for DOS-compatibility made the 640k barrier an issue, IA64
> could take many years to be adopted by a large proportion of the
> industry.
>
>
As usual Max, you're wrong. The 640K limitation had nothing to do with
DOS and everything to do with where IBM decided to place hardware in its
memory map for the IBM PC. Before everyone standardized on IBM
compatability there were several manufacturers making boxes that had
more contiguous memory space available than IBM did.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here we go again!
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:47:58 +0200
"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Battle brews over Linux server share
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2772060,00.html
>
> A study shows linux actually has only 10% of the server market, in
> contrast to IDC's figures which show it with 27%.
>
> Surprise! Microsoft just happens to be one of the study's sponsors!
Like the last one, which pointed at a real weak point on the kernel?
You've to understand that MS can't just lie outright. If you've read the
Wheel Of Time, Aes Sedai behaviour is quite applicable here.
That put aside, I think it's hard to doubt Gartner's neutrality.
If you dig in to the facts of it, you'll find that it's perfectly correct
study.
Just like MindCraft's was. If it's applicable to the real world is a matter
of debate, which will no doubt takes place in an very long thread.
93% of the Linux servers running RH? Sorry, I don't believe it.
Maybe 93% of the *sold* servers, that I can believe.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:57:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:47:22 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:31:04 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
>wrote:
>
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>>>But the syntax for these other shells is diferent then the curent
>>>>Windows shell. If someone calls tech support and is told to type
>>>>
>>>>D:
>>>>cd fubar
>>>>copy widget.exe c:\fubar\widget.exe
>>>>
>>>>and the user is using TCSH, it wont work.
>>>
>>>The D: wouldn't work, but that's because of windows' fucked up file
>>>system, but the "cd" and "copy" commands would still be in the path.
>>
>>Yes, but one is likely to get a file named
>>
>>'C:fubarwidget.exe'
>>
>>as TCSH eats the backslashes.
>
>Well obviously it would have to be adapted to Windows' fucked up file
>system.
Not fucked up -- different.
VMS, for example, had DRA0:[GO.OVER.THERE]NAME.EXT;VER ; this
is different. Pr1me Computers, at one point, used '>' as
a path delimiter (the one time I saw it).
NT and Win9x (and DOS, for that matter) will accept forward
slashes in file pathnames; the only problem is that DOS also
uses forward slashes as an option specifier (similar to VMS,
although far less complex, in that respect).
I will admit that Unix (and Linux) has a far easier file system
from a user's standpoint: root is '/' and things are delimited by
'/'. Simple; the only special case is concatenating a directory
and a file together, when the dir could be root -- and that's
pretty darned simple to work around (if length != 1 add a '/' first,
or, if one really wants to bodge things, just add '/' always, which
could make pathnames like //vmlinux -- a little weird looking but
the inode parser doesn't care too much).
One can even put strange character in the file system (spaces,
tabs, newline -- probably not \0, but almost everything else goes).
Granted, a lot of scripts will break...
By contrast, VMS's file naming is a nightmare; thankfully the DCL
guys have thoughtfully provided a F$PARSE() primitive. NT's
two naming schemes -- \\server\share\dir and X:\dir -- by
contrast, have little parsing support (one can't even
cd \\server\share\dir in Win2k!), although usually one just
throws them at various system primitives such as Open(), or
doesn't even see them.
>
>>Or, it will simply put
>>'fubarwidget.exe' somewhere on the C: drive -- I can't say
>>precisely where as it depends on what directory is current on that
>>drive (this is interesting behavior, but not all that useful).
>
>It is a badly designed file system.
I suspect that there's bad design all around; consider that
the multiple-curdir item is within the OS, not within the
file system on disk proper (but NTFS isn't all that shit hot;
consider the MFT growing ad infinitum as fragmentation ensues,
and the page file getting fragmented is really really evil. :-)
FAT's even worse, but rarely used on server systems -- at least,
one hopes so! -- nowadays.)
>
>>(Pedant point: 'cd' is a shell builtin, for hopefully obvious reasons.
>>I know of only one system where 'cd' was implemented as an executable
>>(AmigaOS).)
>
>cd is the same on the DOS prompt and in tcsh anyway.
Ultimately, I suspect so, although I'd have to look. In Unix and
Linux, the current directory is stored deep within the user structure.
However, I don't know how NT stores it offhand, or how TCSH calls it.
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Most advice is free. Sometimes, it's worth it.
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Darn. Just when this message was getting good, too.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:11 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:23:43 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>drsquare wrote:
>> >Mexico? Sorry, no. They had indigenous populations wiped out, too, and
>> >the USA has NEVER sunk to the level of political persecution as Mexico.
>> >Most others, I'm sure, have equally sordid, if less commonly known,
>> >histories. You obviously just want to hate the United States for some
>> >reason. Mere bigotry, I would expect.
>>
>> OK then, I'll take out Mexico. Now you can try and show the US
>> superiority to all the other countries. Good luck.
>
>
>Are you kidding me! Germany - WWII, nuff said!
Would any of that have happened if it wasn't for Hitler? I think not.
>Spain - raped and
>pillaged latin america for centuries!
As the US did to North America.
>Poland - they are just now
>getting a semblance of human rights. Ireland - they are still bombing
>each other and have for more than 500 years.
Yeah, there's like a bomb every, like, 3 years. Less often that high
school shootings in the US.
>You need to bone up on your history, scooter.
I think you also need to "bone" up.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:16 +0100
On 11 Jun 2001 11:10:02 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Norman D. Megill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia,
>thrown
>> >onto CD by Microsoft.
>>
>> With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing
>> agenda.
>
>Untrue - prove your claim!
Prove they haven't.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:20 +0100
On 11 Jun 2001 11:09:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Norman D. Megill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:wnSU6.759$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Wonderful. We get 5 MS-controlled info and opinion pages about the
>> company, surrounding a link to the company itself in the middle.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see what links MS ends up putting on a
>> page about Linux. Perhaps links to Mundie's speech about GPL being
>> viral or to Balmer's speech calling Linux "a cancer"?
>
>Did you know that a simple meta command will disable the links?
>Did you know that these links are off by default?
I very much doubt that.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:23 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:40:46 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > reasonable explanation, with the possible exception that the original
>> > developers only knew C and decided that ignorance was a better strategy
>than
>> > actually learning about computers and computing languages.
>>
>> That is quite reasonable. If I wanted to start a popular opensource
>> project I probably would not choose Phyton as my target language. It is
>> just simply that more people know C because it is easier - so it is
>> easier to get more good people to help out your project.
>>
>
>C is certainly not easier, C is one of the hardest languages in existance.
>It's popular, I'll give you that, but it's not easy.
Hard? Are you joking? It's one of the easiest languages there is.
>Pointers is a hard cocept to grasp, manual memory management, no array
>boundy checking, no *real* arrays, no strings.
>All of those make C to a hard language.
They also make it easy.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:28 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:59:30 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:42:57 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> >> What would you use then? A giant .gif?
>> >
>> >How about PDF?
>>
>> PDF? Hardly the sort of thing suitable for a web site.
>
>Lots of webs sites do use them, and quite
>successfully. What's the problem with them?
Successfully?
>They do provide the control that HTML patently
>does not.
>From what I've seen of PDF, it is nowhere near as good as HTML.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:30 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:53:26 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> The answer is "Microsoft and whoever else has enough money to develop
>> >> and distribute their own plugins."
>> >
>> >No, the SmartTags SDK is available for free at MS' site.
>> >You can download and roll your own.
>>
>> And how many users are going to do that? 1%? The rest will get the
>> ones built-in from MS.
>
>How many users knows how to change the home page?
>Maybe 10%, the rest will use the built in one.
>
>Oh, woe on me, MS is directing people to their sites!
>
>So they will use the MS stock one, what is so bad about it?
Well, it's not like they're being redirected there from my site, so
I'm not too concerned.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE and Gnome are totally 80s
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:34 +0100
On 11 Jun 2001 08:13:31 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Funky-Fresh Hacker D.)) wrote:
>GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Hehehe.... nothing like ol senna cotte wouldn't cure! Nutscrape 6
>> really is one slow program and a disk hog.
>
>But it's 100% standards compliant, and that's the important thing.
That's not even slightly important. Speed and efficiency is more
important that following standards.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:38 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:00:16 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>drsquare wrote:
>> >Well, I'm proud to be American.
>>
>> What is their to be proud of.
>>
>
>The first thing that Americans are proud of is their proper
>use of the word 'there'.
Are they also proud of their pedantic-ness?
>The second thing that we Americans
>are proud of is both our level of education and the fact that
>we pay for our own education. Americans learn a sense of
>accomplishment and independence at an early age.
That would explain why Americans are so thick.
>Unlike your country, we Americans do not feel the need to have
>our government take the majority of our income and then dole
>it back out to us as seen fit.
That's why your country has such a gap between the rich and the poor.
>Most all medical programs in Eurpoe are a complete disaster.
>The NHS in the UK should be disbanded immediately.
Does the US health service compare?
>Nowhere in the world does an individual have a greater chance
>of success building a small business than in the USA. No other
>nation on Earth puts more money into research and development than
>the USA.
How many people actually start small businesses? .01%?
>Without the USA, mother Russia would have gobbled up most all of
>Europe long ago.
I think not.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:44 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:02:18 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>David Brown wrote:
>> Of course, the light bulb was originally Scottish, most of the practical
>> work on the foundations of computing was done in Britain (with a number of
>> prominent Dutch theorists as well), the web was Swiss, and a whole bunch
>> more.
>
>The WWW is Swiss. I didn't know that! The web is Swiss, but the internet
>is obviously American.
Is it? They own it do they?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:47 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:40:14 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Michael Vester wrote:
>> In the tech support business, finding a user's misplaced data files is
>> one of the most common type of help call.
>
>Windows applications do not make this easy for people, of course. Too
>many apps default to locations in their own install hierarchy rather
>than somewhere dedicated to user files. When apps scatter files all
>over the disk, is it any wonder that people cannot find what they are
>looking for? At least on Unix you can be pretty sure it'll be somewhere
>below your home directory[*]...
Is that [*] supposed to be referring to somewhere?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:05:51 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:38:06 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >For XP, yes.
>> >For all the software, depend on the software.
>>
>> Well, I don't think there's much use in XP on its own.
>
>Yes, it can.
>You can browse, email, read news, word processing, video editing, etc.
After I've added a mail client, a news client, a word processor, a
video editing program, browser etc.
>> >MS designed their OS to be compatible to about five years old standard
>> >computers.
>>
>> This computer's about three years old, and XP wouldn't stand a chance
>> on it. Linux on the other hand runs perfectly. Looks like Windows
>> loses again.
>
>What is the spec?
16MB RAM, 200Mhz processor, 1GB hard disk.
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