Linux-Advocacy Digest #167, Volume #35 Tue, 12 Jun 01 18:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Frog2)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Matthew Gardiner
\(BOFH\)")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Ed Cogburn)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Ed Cogburn)
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:20:06 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:08:19 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Said Peter Hayes in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:14:34
> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:20:45 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Said Peter Hayes in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 20:05:42
> >> >On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:35:39 -0600, Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >This really sums up all that is wrong with Microsoft.
> >> >
> >> >They produce OSs that brought computing to the masses.
> >>
> >> That really sums up all that is mistaken about your thinking.
> >
> >Really Max, learn to control your anti-Microsoft reflexes :-)
>
> Why?
Because there's more than just "They produce OSs that brought computing to
the masses." Read the rest.
> >Who were the major players in the early 80's home/office computing market?
>
> Commodore pretty much owned the territory. Apples were popular with the
> richer folk. Atari was doing good business. That was the home market.
> There was no home/office market in the early 80s.
I didn't mean a home-office market, but a home market and an office market.
Commodore in the US home market perhaps, various formats in the UK,
including Commodore, Sinclair, Atari, Acorn, MSX, others if I thought about
it.
But for the business market the killer app was the spreadsheet for the Apple
IIe (SuperCalc or something like that). It put the boss's data on the his
desk instead of in the mainframe. That was what persuaded IBM to enter the
desktop market. (Paraphrased, but that's essentially it).
> >IBM/Microsoft with their PC/XT and Apple with the Lisa and Macintosh. DOS
> >and, later, Windows, together with the cloning of the IBM BIOS outcompeted
> >Apple's closed expensive hardware/software solution.
>
> Well, it competed.
To the extent that it acquired monopoly status. Or is it suddenly not a
monopoly any more? Sounds like out-competed to me. The methods used to
out-compete are on the whole somewhat dubious, as I said before, which you
would have known had you read all my post instead of those bits that
appeared to you to be pro-Microsoft.
> It could only "outcompete" if it could somehow be
> both a commodity PC and a slick high priced proprietary system at the
> same time, and it can't do that.
Of course it can. Wintel cloners have their AMD Thunderbird 1.333GHz,
256/512Mb, blah, blah, blah, and their humble entry-level PII whatevers.
> Apple still sells millions of
> Macintoshes a year, did you know that?
Something under 10% of the personal computer market, around 5% IIRC.
> >Be ever so slightly grateful to IBM/Microsoft, else we'd be hostage to
> >Apple.
>
> I was never "hostage" to Apple.
Lucky you.
You might feel differently if you'd just shelled out several thousand bucks
for a Quadra 800 only to be told that NuBus was being dropped in favour of
PCI. This obsoletes your kit overnight. Shell out another several thousand $
if you want to stay in business.
At least Microsoft have ensured backwards compatability, for better or
worse. You can run an app written for an 8088/6 on a Pentium 4 or Athlon
Thunderbird system running Windows 2000 sp2.
> I liked their systems. They're still
> better for many people and easier than a PC. Just more expensive. I
> don't have to be grateful to Microsoft for anything. It isn't rhetoric;
> it is knowledge and honesty. They really did do nothing but harm.
They, by fair means or foul, have established a software standard. Imagine a
world with 10 or 20 competing hardware and software manufacturers. It'd be
horrendous. You'd have to manufacture CDs for 20 different platforms
whenever you wrote a new game or office app, hardware would cost orders of
magnitude more, and would be at the stage we were in 1990. For better or
worse we have a hardware and software platform that has generated immense
competition driven mainly by the games market. The result is dirt cheap
hardware that has incredible performance and works across a wide range of
apps and OSs, and even in Macs. That's due to the domination of Microsoft.
So they've done some good, or would you prefer a disparate market in chaos
and going nowhere?
> We'd have all been better off with a better open architecture than the PC to
> begin with,
I don't think you'll find anyone disagreeing with that statement. The
original IBM PC was a stopgap to establish IBM in the new home and office
market that threatened their mainframe business. But once this particular
Pandora's box was open there was no going back.
> and Microsoft only managed to prevent development of the
> hardware (IRQ problems, anyone? 640K barrier?) years behind where
> competitive markets would normally have had it.
That's an example of what I mean when I say Microsoft should have put half
the energy into developing and improving their produces that they put into
their predatory attempts at world domination. But you'd have known I'd
already said that if you'd read all my post.
> >With their closed architecture Apple would be far more predatory than
> >Microsoft.
>
> That is impossible. Apple makes hardware; you can't be predatory in a
> software market if you are only making money selling hardware.
Erm, I thought Apple produced MacOS, plus a number of other apps. I could be
wrong though...
But let's imagine a world dominated by Apple. All the hardware is
manufactured by Apple. All the software is written by Apple or has to meet
stringent Apple guidelines "to preserve the Apple brand image". Ergo, a
world where everything is hostage to the whim of Jobs & Co. Think it
through, Max, rather than assume Apple would sit back and let control slip
out of their grasp. Still don't believe me? Remember the poor sod who was
threatened with Apple's lawyers because he dared to produce a KDE theme that
resembled Aqua. Sheesh, anyone else would have thanked him for the
publicity.
> Apple has always had a great balance between compatibility and proprietary
> value-add, I think.
So the overnight obsolescence of NuBus is "collateral damage", is it? Tell
that to the guys put out of business by it.
So Apple withdrawing the cloners' licences is all right, is it? Tell that to
the guys put out of business by it.
You need to take off those rose-coloured spectacles, and see Apple for what
they are, for example they sued someone because they dared to make their
computer cube shaped (is this lawsuit still progressing or has common sense
prevailed?).
> >You'd have a lot more to moan about then...
>
> Don't confuse your imagination with history or your delusions with
> facts, Peter.
No imagination necessary and no delusions either. Apple screwed their
customers on several occasions, as did Microsoft. My point previously was
that Microsoft have got themselves into the position they are today, in the
context of customer trust or the lack of it, because they went down the road
of world domination by brute force, instead of by having the best products.
If Gates had applied himself to producing the best product possible he'd
still be extraordinarily rich, and he'd still have his software on every
desktop (nearly) but this time because we *wanted* it, and we wouldn't be
looking at this meta-tags business as a scam, we wouldn't be looking at
everything they come up with as a scam...
Peter
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:20:35 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:49:14 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> The US life expectancy for a male at birth is somewhere around
> >> 73-74 years.
> >
> >http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm
> >(as of 1997)
> >
> >Average: 76.5
> >
> >Males: 73.6
> >Females: 79.4
>
> An American site presumably. What a reliable source.
Crips, I'll be lucky to see 70 let alone 73.6!
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V
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12 Jun 2001 21:17:50 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:32:03 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("S.T. Pickrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
> >
> >> That part that they're equally transferrable through homosexual and
> >> heterosexual sex.
> >
> >In Africa and Asia you're certainly right.
> >
> >In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
> >gap will close or not is another issue.
>
> Do they?
yes.
> Have you got any EVIDENCE? No, you haven't.
perhaps not.
but i do:
U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
Men who have sex with men - 326,051
Injecting drug use - -
MALE 126,889 -
FEMALE 46,804 -
TOTAL - 173,693
Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
MALE 4,663 -
FEMALE 248 -
TOTAL - 4,911
Heterosexual contact - -
MALE 23,361 -
FEMALE 43,128 -
TOTAL - 66,490
Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue - -
MALE 4,784 -
FEMALE 3,598 -
TOTAL - 8,382
Risk not reported or identified - -
MALE 41,037 -
FEMALE 15,533 -
TOTAL - 56,572
- center for disease control, 1999
hth
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:25:53 GMT
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:49:14 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> The US life expectancy for a male at birth is somewhere around
> >> 73-74 years.
> >
> >http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm
> >(as of 1997)
> >
> >Average: 76.5
> >
> >Males: 73.6
> >Females: 79.4
>
> An American site presumably. What a reliable source.
True, it a USA Gov't site, Center for Disease Control and Prevention. One
the other hand, how reliable is your source?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:25:04 -0700
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> > > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
> >
> > Not impressive, people had done more with less beforehand.
> >
> > > [4] First man on the moon.
> >
> > And nothing significant ever since.
> >
>
> Are you serious? Nothing ever since??? Where have you been, boy!
> Sheezh man, the US has flown probes by the rings of Saturan, flown
> by Jupiter's moons, have landed on Mars, and are building and funding
> most all of the next generation space station.
>
> The USA also flies in and out of space with reusable space shuttles.
> We are the ONLY country with resusable space craft.
>
> > The whole race to the moon was the biggest, stupidest, most wasteful PR
> > campain that has ever taken place in human history.
> > A lot of good things came out of it, but to do it for freaking *PR*?
>
> You just stated that the first man on the moon was significant and now
> you are saying that it was stupid. Make up your mind, boy.
>
> ....
I wonder how come we never made any more missions to the moon??
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V
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:24:14 +1200
Does that figure include the 200CD's I have burnt over the last year for
people?
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b26471a$0$263$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=21403
> or
> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2772060,00.html
>
> But they both say the same thing:
> Gartner Dataquest has reported that 8.6 percent of server shipments in the
> U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were Linux-based and 97% of those
were
> Red Hat. Another interesting finding was that when so-called "white box,"
or
> non-branded, server purchases were excluded and only branded server
> purchases considered, Linux's share of the market fell to just 6 percent
in
> the third quarter of 2000.
>
> IDC claims a higher figure in previous reports, 27%. But IDC considers ANY
> PC which has Linux installed on it a "Server Environment." Obviously that
> stretches the definition a bit.
>
> Yes, I know the study was partially sponsored by MS (someone has to pay
for
> these things) so please don't fire off stupid replies implying that MS
> purposely contaminated it's own results by 'buying the study' - that's
just
> preposterous. Consider when car companies pay someone like JD Powers to
> guage customer satisfaction - the company that paid for the survey does
NOT
> always come out on top and that's why people trust JD Powers. Same for
both
> IDC and Gartner. They are paid by _someone_ to find something out. If the
> results don't go your way then, sure, it's ok for you to not publish them
> (Ford pays JD Powers to find out if people like the Explorer and it turns
> out they don't - no need to buy Superbowl time to advertise that - but if
> they did like it, of course you advertise it - it's normal and is done all
> the time). So, ahead of time, ANYONE who says "MS paid for it therefore
they
> said whatever MS told them to" is automatically defined as an idiot and
> mindless so don't fall into that hole oK?
>
> Further Quote: [Donn] Miller [of MS] told eWEEK that Microsoft had helped
> sponsor the study to see exactly who was using Linux, what the server
> deployments were and what operating system was running on it.
> "There has been a lot of hype around Linux over the past year, and we
wanted
> to try and find out the real story on its adoption," he said. "While I
admit
> there has been interest in Linux, this by no means accounts for one out of
> every four new servers sold. That is simply ridiculous."
>
> The study results prove that Linux on the server side is still "just a
niche
> play," Miller added. It's unrealistic to look at sales numbers and believe
> that all of these are being deployed. While many users have bought Linux
to
> try it out, a large number of those copies bought, downloaded and acquired
> were tested and then never actually used, he said.
>
> "Many of our customers have tested it, but found that it falls short of
what
> is required for a business server platform," Miller said. "Windows has
good
> penetration on the server side, but the misstated Linux market share
figures
> unfairly present the actual position of Novell and others rather than us."
>
>
>
>
>
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:27:43 -0700
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
> >Let us not forget Nikolai Tesla. Without his advanced thinking we
> >wouldn't have TV, Radio, solenoids, AC power, etc. He got out of Europe
> >from the "Impossible, can't be done" crowd. He came to America where he
> >could freely invent and test.
>
> And promptly had all his ideas robbed by Edison, who had better patent
> lawyers.
>
> --
> Nick
It's too bad too. Tesla in my mind was a true genius.
DuPont turned down Teslas recommendations to make free energy.
No profits could be had so he turned down the idea and even pulled back
some funding for teslas other research.
Edison was a businessman... and a marketer. Edison went so far as to
use AC power to electrocute a horse in public to show how dangerous AC
was over DC.
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V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:29:40 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:58:43 -0700
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote
> >> on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:15:49 +0100
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:39:00 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> > ("Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> >>> Why? It's just where you born. It's not like you achieved anything. Your
> >> >>> parents fucked, and out you popped. It could have been anywhere. So just
> >> >>> keep that image in mind, next time you feel patriotic, just visualise your
> >> >>> father hunched over your mother. Which is all it comes down to, really.
> >> >>
> >> >>Well, I'm proud to be American.
> >> >
> >> >What is their to be proud of.
> >>
> >> Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
> >>
> >> [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> >> an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
> >> [2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less simultaneously.
> >> [3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
> >> [4] First man on the moon.
> >>
> >> These are the ones that come immediately to mind. There were of course
> >> some lowlights as well:
> >>
> >> [A] Segregation/slavery of blacks. This continued until well into
> >> the 70's, even though slavery was officially abolished more than
> >> a century earlier. It's not clear that it's ended even now.
> >> [B] Isolated incidents such as MOVE, Waco, and the Texas Fremen.
> >> These indicate (perceived?) injustice, although it's not clear
> >> how much or by whom.
> >> [C] Native American massacre during the formative years (this is
> >> the flip side of [1], above). We may never know the true extent
> >> of the horror.
> >> [D] The biggest user (dare I say waster?) of energy in the world.
> >> 6% of the population consumes half of the energy. We're getting
> >> better, and our technology may well pull our collective rears
> >> out of the fire, but it's not something to be proud of.
> >> We also backed out of the Kyoto accord. While there may have been
> >> good reasons to do so (it's not clear to me personally), it's
> >> not going to help our reputation any.
> >>
> >> Again, there may be some obvious ones I'm missing.
> >
> >Let us not forget Nikolai Tesla. Without his advanced thinking we
> >wouldn't have TV, Radio, solenoids, AC power, etc. He got out of Europe
> >from the "Impossible, can't be done" crowd. He came to America where he
> >could freely invent and test. And I have to agree with Tesla about
> >Edison too.... a screwdriver mechanic.
>
> Ah, yes. Unfortunately for Tesla, he became rather crazy in his
> later years; but I'd forgotten about him.
>
> I'd say that one's rather obvious. :-) As for Edison -- I can't say.
> I'm not familiar with their interactions. I was always under the
> impression that Edison tried a large number of materials before
> settling on carbon fiber for his inaugural light bulb. :-)
> (Tungsten came somewhat later.)
>
> (Side note: Believe it or not, there's at least one bulb out there
> that has been burning for 100 years.)
Now that you mention it, I read somewhere in a newspaper after the
collapse of the Berlin Wall, that most of the light bulbs in Russia were
hard wired in and have been lit for over 40 years. Does that mean our
light bulbs are planned obsolesence?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:30:53 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:33:59 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> >[4] First man on the moon.
> >>
> >> Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
> >> large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
> >> to death across the world...
> >
> >Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
>
> Typical American attitude. Let the children starve to death whilst we
> send pieces of metal into space for fun.
Typical whinney Dutch for laying the blame on the US for not feeding the
world.
Go grow your own and blame your own politicians for their ineptitudes.
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V
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From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:37:12 -0400
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Ed Cogburn wrote:
>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> which DEADLY, INCURABLE diseases are spread by heterosexual contact?
>>
>> Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
>
>
> Not for men.
What the hell does that mean? Heterosexual men are dying by the
hundreds around the world. Did you even bother to read what I said?
What part of "orphans who have lost their parents to AIDS" did you not
understand?
>> Aaron, you ignorant and sad excuse for a human being, I told you before
>> when you were on one of your rants that the population of Zimbabwe is
>> being decimated by AIDS, as well as other areas in Africa, and the
>> transmission is exclusively HETEROSEXUAL. They have orphanages full of
>> orphans who have lost their parents to AIDS, and many of them have
>> gotten AIDS too, from their mother.
>
>
> And this is pertinent to North America how, exactly?
You just suddenly made it "pertinent to North America" because you know
you're wrong and are back-pedalling. AIDS is on the increase in most
places in the world, even North America, but its no longer restricted to
the gay community anymore. AIDS is spreading among heterosexual
teenagers here because they've bought into the stupidity such as what
you spew out and think they don't have to worry about AIDS since "it
only happens to gays". Ignorant people like you are **MAKING** it
pertinent to North America.
--
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. -- Voltaire
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:33:50 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:33:59 -0700
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >drsquare wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
> >>
> >> >>>Well, I'm proud to be American.
> >> >>
> >> >>What is their to be proud of.
> >> >
> >> >Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
> >> >
> >> >[1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> >> > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
> >>
> >> What? Are you referring to how you went round driving people out of
> >> their homes, and skinning them alive etc?
> >>
> >> >[2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less
> >> >simultaneously.
> >>
> >> Yeah, you sent a couple of men over to Europe after the Nazis were on
> >> their last legs, and then wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent
> >> women and children in Japan. Now THERE'S something to be proud of.
> >>
> >> >[3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
> >>
> >> Which about 10% of your population benefit from.
> >>
> >> >[4] First man on the moon.
> >>
> >> Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
> >> large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
> >> to death across the world...
> >
> >Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
>
> Because we have the surplus food and the Netherlands does not.
> Simple enough, I would think. :-)
>
> Of course, I would hope that we start setting up things with
> the Russians to increase their grain production (for a cut of
> the profits, of course). That would help in feeding them,
> increasing their vodka production, and indirectly feeding
> the entire world.
>
> Ditto for the Chinese, although I don't think they have as much
> of a problem.
>
I hear that a lot of entrepeneurs in Russia will eventually get there.
It's almost a parallel to our early 20's what Russia is going thru now.
It will take time for things to settle out... if they are allowed to
that is.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:35:55 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:04:55 +0100
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >On 12 Jun 2001 10:41:55 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)) wrote:
> >
> >>drsquare wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >>> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
> >>>wrote:
> >>
> >>>>Some other countries might. It is not clear, for instance, whether
> >>>>Cuba has such.
> >>>
> >>>But most other developed countries have more relaxed laws than
> >>>America. For instance, in most countries you can look at a woman
> >>>without being sued for sexual harassment.
> >>
> >>Not to mention most civilised countries allow 19 year old adults to drink
> >>margaritas with their Mexican mush if they want to.
> >
> >Never mind Bush, they may as well bring back Hitler and be done with
> >it.
>
> The trains did run on time... :-)
Well, it won't be long now till this thread finishes...
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From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:43:23 -0400
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Well, this may come as a surprise to you, but the US Army tests EVERY
> soldier for AIDS every 6-12 months.
And this is supposed to mean what? The situation he's talking about has
to do with how personal medical info being distributed to other
entities. If the Army is handing over this test info to your future
employer, then your response here would make sense.
--
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. -- Voltaire
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