Linux-Advocacy Digest #206, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 21:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Bob Nelson)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish) (Dave Martel)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("David Brown")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why should an OS cost money? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More funny stuff. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Here's a switch for a change ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Opera (Terry Porter)
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From: Bob Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:17:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Dennis Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> somebody wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone else read the latest issue of Linux Magazine? There is an interview
>> of Dennis Ritchie complete with several photos of him sitting behind his desk at
>> bell labs.
>>
>> his monitor is clearly visible-- very obviously and very ironically running
>> ms-windows! LOL, i had to laugh!
>>
>> i didn't see any mention of that in the interview, but c'mon, the co-inventor of
>> UNIX is now using Microsoft WINDOWS?!?!?
> People seem to have noticed the edges of the screen, but so far
> no one has identified the contents and origin of the very large
> pale-yellow window with pride of place on the screen.
> Dennis
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From: Dennis Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:50:57 +0000
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X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U)
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Give him credit for at least using WinNT now. Not too many years ago, his
postings in the C language groups were from Win95 using Mozilla. Although the
author of the anti-forward in the _Unix Haters Handbook_, he didn't write a
_Windows Haters Handbook_ in response.
Of course, dmr may be mangling his headers just like Aaron Kulkis. Right? :-)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:15:43 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> drsquare wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:40:06 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > (Sky King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> > >> >> Last I heard its progress through the gay community has slowed, but its
> > >> >> advancing among the heterosexual youth,
> > >> >
> > >> >That's a rumor being spread by.... homosexual activists
> > >>
> > >> The same way all your rumour are spread by paranoid right-wing nuts
> > >> like yourself.
> > >>
> > >Except we "right wing nuts" have the stats to back us up. Do you?
> > >sky
> >
> > Stats? I haven't seen you provide or refer to a single statistic.
>
> U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
>
Are theses AIDS statistics or HIV disease statistics?
Do you know the difference?
> EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
> Men who have sex with men - 326,051
What kind of sex is this? Oral, anal, what.
Are these new or old cases?
> Injecting drug use - -
> MALE 126,889 -
> FEMALE 46,804 -
> TOTAL - 173,693
Can you tell us why the number for men is higher for men Here?
> Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
> Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
> MALE 4,663 -
> FEMALE 248 -
> TOTAL - 4,911
.. these people have AIDS?
> Heterosexual contact - -
> MALE 23,361 -
> FEMALE 43,128 -
> TOTAL - 66,490
> Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue - -
> MALE 4,784 -
> FEMALE 3,598 -
> TOTAL - 8,382
Can you tell us anything about the initial exposure dates for these, or
for any of these cases?
> Risk not reported or identified - -
> MALE 41,037 -
> FEMALE 15,533 -
> TOTAL - 56,572
>
> - center for disease control, 1999
>
Without some more information thee numbers are useless, and really dont
say anything.
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:18:23 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Ed Cogburn wrote:
> > >
> > > S.T. Pickrell wrote:
> > >
> > > > In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
> > > > gap will close or not is another issue.
> > >
> > > Last I heard its progress through the gay community has slowed, but its
> > > advancing among the heterosexual youth,
> >
> > That's a rumor being spread by.... homosexual activists
> >
> > (imagine that).
> >
> Well it makes a change from Communists
> --
Actually, in the last few years, the group with the largest report of
new cases was teenage heterosexuals, primarily girls. However, recently
there has been a rise in new cases among homosexuals. It seems this
group, that was once so fastidious about barrier protection, have been
lulled into complacency by thoday's drug treatments. Unfortunate.
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:19:34 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> drsquare wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:32:03 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("S.T. Pickrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >drsquare wrote:
> > >
> > >> That part that they're equally transferrable through homosexual and
> > >> heterosexual sex.
> > >
> > >In Africa and Asia you're certainly right.
> > >
> > >In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
> > >gap will close or not is another issue.
> >
> > Do they? Have you got any EVIDENCE? No, you haven't. So fuck off until
> > you have.
>
> U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
>
> EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
> Men who have sex with men - 326,051
> Injecting drug use - -
> MALE 126,889 -
> FEMALE 46,804 -
> TOTAL - 173,693
> Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
> Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
> MALE 4,663 -
> FEMALE 248 -
> TOTAL - 4,911
> Heterosexual contact - -
> MALE 23,361 -
> FEMALE 43,128 -
> TOTAL - 66,490
> Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue - -
> MALE 4,784 -
> FEMALE 3,598 -
> TOTAL - 8,382
> Risk not reported or identified - -
> MALE 41,037 -
> FEMALE 15,533 -
> TOTAL - 56,572
>
> - center for disease control, 1999
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
Once again, without more information, these numbers are useless.
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:21:33 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Rotten168 wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > I like SANE people. Most black people I know are sane (unlike you).
> > > > > > Gays are suicidal, which is not sane.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually you may be right there. Young gay men are having unprotected
> > > > > sex at an extremely high and foolish rate, which is suicide. But it
> > > > > doesn't have to be that way.
> > > >
> > > > However, unfortunately, in the US, they simply try to apply the same logic
> > > > from hetrosexual sex education and information to the gay community. Here in
> > > > New Zealand, the government gives money to the gay community organisation in
> > > > charge of sex education and information, and since then, the number of
> > > > aids/hiv cases has gone down dramatically, simply by listening to the
> > > > targeted group, rather than trying to use cheap generalisations to create a
> > > > framework. Europe is another example of governments addressing the issue
> > > > instead of ducking the issue, as the US has done for the last 15 years
> > > > because it doesn't win votes.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding Aarons comment, "Gays are suicidal", that is correct, they have a
> > > > higher rate of depression due to people like Aaron making sweaping
> > > > generalisations and prejudice in the work force and in the community. I
> > > > have, on several occasions helped people in that position (nearing suicide),
> > > > and unlike Aaron, I don't need to be prejudice to prove that I am
> > > > hetrosexual.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just goddamned sick and tired of
> > > every loser in this country fucking up their life....all on their own,
> > > and then whining and whining until the fool assholes in Congress say,
> > > "There, there....have some of the TAXPAYER'S MONEY...", taking even
> > > more out of my pocket.
> >
> > Good point actually and I agree. But gays aren't asking Congress for
> > money. People are asking for AIDS research money, but AIDS affects
> > everyone, not just homosexuals.
> >
> > But, it's all about personal responsibility, yes.
> >
> > > Enough of this nonsense.
> > >
> > > Screw them. In this day and age, if you have AIDS, you're an idiot,
> > > and should be just lined up against the wall and shot, just on principle,
> > > for being such a fucking dumbass.
> >
> > You have a tendency to make a good point and then blow your foot off
> > with stupid bigoted assertions. This is one of them.
>
> U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
>
Useless numbers and ignorant, arrogant signature snipped.
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:37:27 -0600
On 13 Jun 2001 23:32:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
>> The install went flawlessly then. So, I learned my lesson, that I should ftp
>> the ISO and burn the damned thing instead of screwing around with the ftp
>> install option. Or, just download the minimum required files to a DOS
>> partition. When it's installed, and your minimal installation works
>> correctly, THEN you can screw around with the ftp installation of the rest of
>> the distributions you need.
>
>I'll bear that in mind, as I *will* be trying FreeBsd.
FWIW www.cheapbytes.com has the FreeBSD v4.3 install CD for $5.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:37:16 +0200
Stephen S. Edwards II wrote in message ...
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9g75ar$rtm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>8<snipped communist apologist crap>8
>
>> They did it for the profit. That is all that is left of the "American
>way".
>
>I'm assuming you are a U.S. citizen...
Only an American would assume that. I'm Scottish, living in Norway.
>
>Then here's a suggestion... get the fuck out if
>it's so bad here. Nobody's coercing you to stay
>here. If you don't like it here, then leave.
Don't worry, I have no intention of moving to the US. But as usual (this is
a terrible habit you have), you are making huge unwarrented assumptions. I
have shown quite clearly my opinion of how the US deals with other
countries. But I have said very little about how it treats its own
citizens - I may feel that the US is an ideal place to live, while still
disapproviing of its foreign policies.
>
>What? You don't want to leave? Hmmm... I wonder
>why that is?
>
You really do not have both feet on the ground, do you? Do you really think
that a typical American citizen can wake up one morning and think to
himself, "I don't like the way the current government is running things. I
think I'll move to the Netherlands" ? There is no iron curtain keeping
Americans in the US, but there are huge forces at play making it hard for
people to move country (this applies to people from any country, not just
the US). Very, very few people have the option of moving country because of
their personal opinions.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:41:55 +0200
"Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > C++'s advantage is that you can mask all of it.
> > A good C++ programmer should use very few new and even fewer delete.
>
> Depends on the application, of course. Some things can't be done with
> program-structure-driven allocation, and C++ references tend to make
> life more confusing, not less...
>
> > Hell, just having std::string eliminate roughly 25% of the reasons for
> > buffer overflows.
>
> Just having a sensibly wrapped I/O system can eliminate roughly 75% of
> the (serious) buffer overflows. Stdio is nice and convenient for output
> and debugging, but gets()... <shudder>
Never understood what it was there in the first place.
char *gets(char *buffer, unsigned int bufferSize){
fgets(buffer,bufferSize,stdin);
bufferSize = strlen(buffer);
if ('\n' == buffer[bufferSize-1])
buffer[bufferSize-1] = 0;
return buffer;
}
Works just as well, and don't cause anything any problems.
> > If I built something that is mission *critical*, I would go for Ada.
> > This is a very good language for building stable applications, because
it
> > catch so many errors before it will agree to compile.
>
> Eiffel or B are better still for mission critical applications.
Isn't B the lagnguage before C? ;-)
I recommend Ada because I know it, I don't know either Eiffel or B.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:41:56 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g7oa8$fqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, lets us this scenario:
>
> You own a small company, and want to setup a database server with all the
> customer records on it. Now, all people in your organisation must be able
to
> access it, however, due to the nature of your organisation, you have not
> only IBM-Compatible PC's, but a couple of Macs, and SGI boxes for hightech
> research and development. Now, the best way to ensure that all people can
> access this information is to create a Java front end to interact with the
> database. Thus, giving the organisation the flexibility which will allow
> them to deploy more non-pc's and generic PC's, knowing they they too, as
> long as they (the OS) has a JVM, can interact with the customer database.
>
> That is one example of how Java can be used effectively.
You are talking about accessing the database across platfroms, which can be
done in various of ways, Java being one of the top two. The other good way
would be to set up a web page to allow people to do that. This way, you can
be just as portable, if not more.
As a note, you wouldn't use Java to write the database server, that will
most likely be written in C & C++. I'm not aware of any large, high load,
high performance, servers that are written in Java. Are you?
And no, I'm not talking about something like EJB & J2EE, I'm talking about
the server itself. Something like Oracle, or Ms-SQL, or Apache.
I know that there are several web servers written in Java, (considdering how
easy it is, I'm not surprised) but I haven't heard about DBs.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:41:58 +0200
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g5vuo$8ec$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : You should grow up. You write software to do something. Most of the time
you
> : want it to sell, or succeed.
>
>
> It has to be first to market or it is VERY unlikely to succeed, no
> matter how much "better" you might think it is.
Why don't you tell that to WordPerfect? WordStar? Lotus 1-2-3?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should an OS cost money?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:41:59 +0200
"Form@C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> news:9ft0sj$50a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> <snip>
> > None of them have made any money yet, it's only a matter of time before
> > they go under. Until they come up with a viable business model, they
> <snip>
>
> Ah, but what happens to Linux if they do go under? Suppose *all*
> "commercial" Linux distro companies disappear, what happens? Nothing.
Linux
> carries on being developed just like it did before the distro companies
> turned up. Development of open-source software doesn't depend on anyone
> making money from it - in fact, sometimes people making money appears to
> slow down the development!
Linux's development will slow, it's distribution will be badly hurt, and its
acceptance as a platform for more than hobbiest will be affected.
> What happens if Microsoft goes bust? Unless a buyer moves in, that is the
> end of Windows, NT etc. simply because the source hasn't been released.
Unlikely.
*Very* unlikely.
Even in the odd chance of MS going under, which is unlikely scenario in
itself.
*Someone* would buy it just to get the code.
I can't think of a concievable scenario where MS crumble and Windows code is
not bought by someone.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:42:00 +0200
"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9g4kpi$p5i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9g4k1d$97e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <9g3146$j41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
> >
> >
> >> > a.. Colleague: "Hey! I hate these Microsoft guys! What a rotten
> >> > compiler!
> >> > It only accepts 16,384 local variables in a function!"
> >>
> >> That is one of my favourite!
> >>
> >> 16384 local variables? What in hells name was he doing, I wonder.
> >
> >I don't know and I'm afraid to ask.
> >I can't think of a single good reason why you would need so many local
> >variables. The reason for functions is to *break* the program to little
> >pieces, if you need many local variables, you aren't breaking it to
little
> >enough pieces.
> >I mean, the human brain can only hold 7 or so items at one time, and
> >programmers has to juggle enough in their brain as it is.
>
> Er, not quite. The *average* person can hold about 7 items in
> *short-term memory* at the same time. Many people can hold twice
> that with no problem. Mid-term and long-term memory function
> very differently, of course, and you can always write something
> down. Or, (pause for breath) add a comment?
Yes, I should've said average here.
Short term memory is the killer here, though.
Think about accessing RAM vs HD, or better yet, floppy.
If you don'y have something in short term memory, you need to find it,
whatever it's in long term memory, or read it from somewhere, which mean:
A> Your thought process is interuppted.
B> You may forget other things that are currently in STM, which will force
you too look for *them* :-D
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:42:02 +0200
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Greg Cox wrote:
> >
> > In article
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > > This is off topic for this thread.... I went to ms website for the
VC6.0
> > > downloads...
> > > I can't do it because its HUGE... 175Mb of downloads??? Over a 28.8K
> > > modem line??
> > >
> > > Looks like I go to Metrowerks to get a compiler that works right.
> > >
> > Then go to http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/sp/vs6sp5/ordering.asp and
> > order the service pack on CD for a service charge of a whole $5.
> > --
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thank you. That helps. Funny they must have an awful lot of screwups
> to download 175Mb tho.
Their service packs are accomalutive. (Meaning that SP5 include all other SP
as well)
Did you try DX8? 130MB. And .NET SDK is about this size as well.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:08:53 -0700
In article <tVAV6.791$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>> Try reading my post Charlie.
>
> Impossible. That would require intelligence... something which Charlie
> is devoid of.
That wasn't very nice. Just because Charlie chooses to be rude doesn't
imply that he is unintelligent, as you have aptly demonstrated for us just
now.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Opera
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 14 Jun 2001 01:03:03 GMT
On 13 Jun 2001 22:14:44 GMT,
Fred K Ollinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Todd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: "Fred K Ollinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>: news:9fr73v$8k7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: > Ayende Rahien (don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: >
>: > : "Leigh Wedding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>: > : news:9fhnnp$eki$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: >
>: >
>: > : > The way I see it IE is not really free as MS claims, it is
>: > : > actually included in the price of MS Windows. Can you
>: > : > grasp this concept?
>: >
>: > : No, I can download updates for free.
>: > : I don't have to buy something to get IE5 on Win95.
>: >
>: > Where do I get the source. I'd like to compile the linux version.
>
Just to go off topic a little ;-)
Now I'm running Debian 2.2r2, and I've been using the Mozilla with that
package :-
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre21 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001103
And it really ROCKS! Its smooth, fast, heaps of features, and has been up
for about 17 hrs, used for about 2 of them and hasn't shown any signs of
lack of stability.
I predict Mozilla will anihilate Exploder in time, its just that good.
--
Kind Regards from Terry
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/
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