Linux-Misc Digest #287, Volume #20 Fri, 21 May 99 07:13:08 EDT
Contents:
KPPP stops KDE working ("Ming98")
Re: Sony Vaio (marco tephlant)
Re: Looking for FREE Java IDE builder (Jon Koplin)
Re: RedHat price... (Christopher Browne)
Re: A simple (reliable) browser ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Ishmail no longer being developed - source code available (albi)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Stuart Fox")
What is the URL to the making_ms-windows_read_ext2 utility ?
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Some stupid questions ... ("D. Vrabel")
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (David Steuber)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (David Steuber)
Any problems upgrading from RH5.2 to RH6.0 ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SETI comparisons ("D. Vrabel")
KDE installation problems (Jules-Ange Infante)
moving to linux (Prad Basu)
Re: csh-programming-manual ("D. Vrabel")
Re: [Q] memory usage puzzle (William Burrow)
Re: starting a new shell... ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Root Password lost... (Chris Mauritz)
Re: SETI comparisons (Chris Mauritz)
Re: A full-screen cross-hair cursor for X - does it exist? ("D. Vrabel")
SCSI Question (John Hong)
Re: Linux's Last Chance (Gareth Owen)
Re: GCC as crosscompiler to create Win95/DOS7.0 executables (NF Stevens)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (David Kastrup)
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From: "Ming98" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KPPP stops KDE working
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:15:10 +0100
I have an atrocious problem with KPPP. I can connect ok and use some
applications already launched but KDE is then otherwise 'locked down'. As
soon as I drop the KPPP connection KDE springs into life. I have found no
error messages.
I am using Kernel 2.2.2.
Any ideas.
Gordon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marco tephlant)
Subject: Re: Sony Vaio
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:00:03 +0100
In article <7i0a75$905$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Greetings Marco,
>
> Forgive me if I sound naieve. But aren't European and Asian power
> requierments different than US? Forgive me if this is off topic from the
> original message. But I thought you need special adapters to use US
> electronics? Most of ours use 110 volt supplys.
Maybe, but the cost of buying a new power supply or modifications would
surely be less than my savings. I don't think it's too much of a
problem, as a few years ago when I stayed in the east for a bit I took a
tv/video (believe it!) and an electronics store converted them to run on
the local 110v two pronged supply, I don't know if they replaced the
transformers or what but hopefully it would be simpler with laptop as I
would just need the correct PSU (I'm willing to take the chance anyway!)
--
Marco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Koplin)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for FREE Java IDE builder
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:56:47 +0100
Al -
> Which is the most popular GNU/GPLed "free" IDE builder for Java on
> LINUX platform?? something using JDK 1.2??
NetBeans Developer is one of the best Java IDEs available and it's free
for non-commercial use. As it is written in Java, it will run on just
about any platform, including Linux. However, we don't recommend running
DeveloperX2 (the Java 2 version) on Linux because the JDK 1.2 from
Blackdown is not stable enough yet.
Jon Koplin
NetBeans, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: RedHat price...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:16:26 GMT
On Thu, 20 May 1999 20:34:53 GMT, Tim O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd have to agree with that. I've bought several full versions of
>RedHat Linux more to support the development than for the 'perks' that
>supposedly come with the commercial pack. I tried to use the
>technical support a couple times and found it VERY lacking. It's been
>so disappointing that I've sworn never to buy a Red Hat package again.
>
> I agree that the money would be much better spent on a good Linux
>book.
I would urge you to consider spending some of that money supporting
alternatives, whether that be:
- Debian (as an alternative distribution),
- system facilities like XFree86,
- the FSF (I'm not sure what *software* this goes to support these days,
as the development of things used by Linux *appears* to be increasingly
outside what is supported by FSF funds, although it's probably
impossible to conclusively establish that...),
- projects on the Free Software Bazaar,
or other such.
--
"...very few phenomena can pull someone out of Deep Hack Mode, with two
noted exceptions: being struck by lightning, or worse, your *computer*
being struck by lightning." -- By Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsffairshare.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A simple (reliable) browser
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:56:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aamer Nazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone please recommend a simple and reliable browser(under X) ?
I am
> currently using Netscape, and it simply takes up a lot of resources(I
don't
> know
> why :) ). All I need is a browser with good enough fonts and colors
:).
> Please
> help!
KFM, the filemanager in KDE (you can install kde, without using it as a
desktop enviroment as I have, and still use all utilities and programs),
might be worth a try. The 1.1 version works fine enough if you dont
need Java. Small bugs, but they are probably fixed in the current 1.1.1
version.
For me with a 16MB computer using KDE as a whole gives too much disk
swapping and slows down the computer to much to be fun, so I really
cant use KDE as a whole, and even kfm only swaps a bit to much, but I
think netscape is worse, so why dont you give it a try ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (albi)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Ishmail no longer being developed - source code available
Date: 21 May 1999 10:13:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
anno Thu, 20 May 1999 08:06:03 GMT, schreef Phillip Deackes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
>BTW, Ishmail is still available for download and HAL software say they
>will give a free licence to those who ask for it.
very interesting.
I downloaded it, and asked for a license by email yesterday night,
a friend of mine might want to use it,
I'm very happy with mutt (www.mutt.org) myself for a few years now,
but I hope to get the license pretty soon, I also asked for the source,
let's hope lesstiff can be used for compiling.
-- greetings, Albert --
* Avoid the Gates of Hell. Use Linux! (Unknown source)
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:55:41 +1200
So IIS on NT is faster because it was implemented better?
Stu
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Look carefully at the technology used. Windows NT used native compiled
> code and the UNIX (Sun and Linux) boxes used java and perl. All the
> technology discussions are smoke screens for the inequity in the
> implementation.
>
> I don't care what OS you are using, you can not load a java VM and
> execute a java program as fast as you can load a Windows .dll or UNIX
> shared library. I'm surprised that the UNIX resuts were as fast as they
> were.
>
>
> --
> Mohawk Software
> Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
> Take the Mohawk Software Computer Survey at: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What is the URL to the making_ms-windows_read_ext2 utility ?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:13:33 GMT
What is the URL to the making_ms-windows_read_ext2 utility ?
I had it until my latest windows system crash, and I want it again.
(Hope he have included writing as well now).
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some stupid questions ...
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:20:07 +0100
On 21 May 1999, Austin Ming wrote:
> Some stupid questions ...
>
> Hi...all my friends. i am a new comer. I have a few puzzles on Linux.
>
> Hope somebody can help me.
>
> I currently use Win 95. And, it hang frequently. I want to try Linux for my
> PC.
>
> First , i have to get a free Linux. But, i do not know which version of Linux
> should i use. "Note: I use PC."
They're all free essentialy. (see
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html for a definition)
> (Red Hat Linux, Debian Linux, Slackware Linux)
How about SUSE? I've never used it but it's said to be easy to install
and configure. I personally use Debian GNU/Linux.
> More, what is the latest version of Lunix?
There are so many parts of Linux that this question is hard to answer.
> What is the size of Lunix OS ?
Depends how much you count. Expect to use at least 500MB for a resonable
installation of utilities and programs.
> Which FTP server has a fast speed to download ?
Depends where you are in the world! I personally use my Univerisity's
mirror.
> Do i need to learn unix commands before i change my OS ?
You can pick it up as you go along. But is a good idea to read some entry
level documentation before you start.
> Can i use my Win 95 software in latest version of Lunix ?
You might. See http://www.winehq.com/ or http://www.vmware.com/
> Plus, what features do the free version miss compare with purchased version?
Some commercial software (check the websites for details); manuals;
technical support.
> Lastly, any time limitation for using free version of Lunix?
They wouldn't be very free if there was.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 20 May 1999 23:29:41 -0400
Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> American children aged 14 and younger are 16 times more likely to be
-> killed by firearms than are children in
-> 25 other industrialized nations averaged together, according to the
-> Centers for Disease Control and
-> Prevention.
For children in that same age range, the number one killer is
automobile accidents.
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns,set
--
David Steuber | s/trashcan/david/ if you wish to reply by mail
The 80's -- when you can't tell hairstyles from chemotherapy.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 20 May 1999 23:25:51 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
-> Gun control advocates always bring up the Nazis after some time.
Usually, the pro-RKBA people bring it up first. The argument goes
something like:
First, Hitler wanted gun registration
Second, Hitler took all the registered guns away
Then he was free to kill all the Jews, Catholics, Slavs, and anyone
else who irritated him at the moment.
Even further off-topic:
My Walther P99 was made in Germany. My Glock 30 was made in Austria.
Do either of those countries allow citizens to buy and carry handguns?
Smith & Wesson makes most of its guns in Springfield, MA. That state
has rather draconian anti-gun laws. Colt is in Hartford, CN. That is
another state that has draconian anti-gun laws (so much for The
Constitution State). I just find that odd.
England has banned all handguns and many long guns. Yet if you have a
22 rifle for vermin, you can have a silencer on it. In the U.S. you
have to pay a $200 tax to get a silencer and fill out a mound of
paperwork. That is assuming the state you live in will even let you.
Back to Linux. I think it is a pleasant environment to work and
play.
--
David Steuber | s/trashcan/david/ if you wish to reply by mail
The fortune program is supported, in part, by user contributions and by
a major grant from the National Endowment for the Inanities.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Any problems upgrading from RH5.2 to RH6.0 ?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:05:25 GMT
I am using RH5.2, and I have quite a lot of settings and programs
installed. I want to upgrade to RH6.0 to get the new kernel, and latest
version of all redhat-distributed programs/libraries I have installed.
I have never upgraded RH Linux as a whole, until now I have always made
a totally new installation, but this time I have to much installed for
this.
I know there is a install/upgrade option in the installation program.
Can anybody tell me if this really work without problems, to choose
upgrade and when done get a fresher system, with all apps and
installations, like DNS, ISP, mailadress soundcardsetting and so all
intact (apps naturally upgraded, if an upgrade is in RH6.0)?
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SETI comparisons
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:22:46 +0100
On 21 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in comp.os.linux.misc:
> JG>Chester Raffoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JG>: Caveat: The Linux setiathome is version 1.1, the Win32 app is version 1.0.
> JG>: Maybe there's a major internal difference? I dunno, but the difference in
> JG>: the throughput here is astounding, so much so that it is suspicious. NT is
> JG>: not the brainchild of Bill Gates, but rather David Cutler, and you VAX/VMS
> JG>: fossils out there (me included) know that this guy is no dope when it comes
> JG>: to OS design ... something about the Win32 setiathome code is just not
> JG>: right. I've emailed the setiathome folks with my results, no response so
> JG>: far. No "Microsoft simply sucks, you blind dumbass" flames please.
>
> JG>: This is certainly an interesting processor & operating system test. Take my
> JG>: advice - don't try it on your old Pentium laptop ... it takes over a _week_
> JG>: to run!
>
> JG>My guess'd be that it's a difference in compilers and/or optimisation that's
> JG>causing the big discrepency as opposed to just the OS's themselves.
>
> Take a look at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/oss.html. It shows that
>Win95 users
> are getting an average of 42 hours compared to 30 for NT, 23 for Mac and 14 for
>linux.
> Presumably the same compiler was used for 95 and NT (its the same download link).
>It would
> seem to indicate that Win95 cooperative multitasking generally falls far short in
>performance
Windows 95 does do preemptive multitasking for Win32 programs.
> when compared with pre-emptive multitasking on NT. Granted, the Win95 machines are
>more
> likely to to be hampered by other factors (cycle hogging WinModems, low RAM, etc.).
>However a
> clear picture emerges: Win95 is still not ready for primetime.
Does that surprise you given the design (?) of Windows 95? It's still
C/PMish underneath.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jules-Ange Infante)
Subject: KDE installation problems
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:11:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I have recently installed LINUX using the Debian hamm distribution and
then proceeded to install KDE 1.0. Everything worked well up to that
point, but when I upgraded to KDE 1.1 I had a number of problems.
There are a number of programs, notably KPPP that do not work except
through root, while others do not work even then. when trying to
launch these applications in a console the following message appears:
KPPP: error in loading shared libraries:
undefined symbol: __pure_virtual
The other problem is that kdm won't lauch at startup anymore. When I
installed KDE 1.0, I replaced xdm in /etc/X11 by a shortcut to KDM.
Since I installed the packages for KDE 1.1, I get the following
message when trying to use XDM
xdm: error in loading shared libraries
libkdecore.so.0 cannot open share object file: No such file or
directory
The library libkdecore.so.0 is not present in the directory:
/usr/X11R6/lib, but the file libkdecore.so.2 is there. Would finding
this particular file and installing it cause a potential conflict?
Another question is: why if running xdm, which is a link to kdm the
program does not start while it does when typing kdm?
I would appreciate any help with these questions since I was really
starting to enjoy using my computer with the new OS.
Thanks in advance for you assistance,
Julio Angel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prad Basu)
Subject: moving to linux
Date: 20 May 99 22:16:04 GMT
Hi! I'm just about to try to scrap win95 and move my 1996 Packard Bell
system over to Linux. I've heard though that my peripherals won't work
because I need to install drivers. Is this true and what can I do about
it?
Thanks.
In friendship,
Prad
--
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: csh-programming-manual
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:25:52 +0100
On Thu, 20 May 1999, Oliver Gebele wrote:
> hello everyone,
>
> is there a csh-programming manual on the web???
> (beside the man-page)
Don't know but have a look at
http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~tpl/not_csh.html
for the reasons you shouldn't program in csh.
If your shell scripts are part of a program your going to release it is
generally recommend you don't use csh -- use sh or perl instead.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: [Q] memory usage puzzle
Date: 20 May 1999 22:04:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 20 May 1999 10:52:56 -0500,
Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You maybe are reading "free" in the wrong way...
free is slightly easier to use than /proc/meminfo.
>I called "cat /proc/meminfo and got this information:
>
>Mem: 81.6M total, 54.1M used, 27.4M free, 6.1M shared, 2.8M buffers,
>44.9M cached
>
>What does this really mean?
It means:
- of the 83.9MB RAM installed, 81.6M are available to user programs and
kernel modules.
- only 54.1MB are being used, the remaining 27.4MB are being wasted.
(The numbers don't quite add up, due to rounding I will assume.)
- Lets skip the shared for a moment. There are 2.8MB in various
kernel scratch areas called buffers. This number is usually
fairly small compared to the rest.
- There are 44.9MB of files cached in memory.
- Subtract the cache and buffers to get application usage:
54.1 + 2.8 + 44.9 = 6.4MB
- The shared is the sum of all the shared regions. Usually, these are
the libraries. If you start, say a telnet session, the libraries
required for running telnet are brought in and added to the shared
size. Starting another telnet session uses the same dynamic libraries,
in the same memory pages, but get added again to the shared size.
So, a large shared memory size may be desirable, since it indicates that
many applications are using the same memory region over and over.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: starting a new shell...
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:28:39 +0100
On Thu, 20 May 1999, Oliver Gebele wrote:
> hello everyone,
>
> on the local system i can't change the login-shell
> (via chsh, too bad)
> so i'd like to start the tcsh from .login
> and terminate the old shell automatically.
> how do i do this?
Have you emailed the administrators and asked them to change your login
shell? There are technical reasons for not being able to use chsh on some
systems (those using NIS I think).
I would depend on the shell you start with. I think it would be
exec tcsh
in sh or bash.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
From: Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Root Password lost...
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:18:10 GMT
Thomas Veach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> D. Vrabel wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 20 May 1999, Beni Huber wrote:
>>
>> > Argh! It really has happened. We forgot our root password.
>> >
>> > Please have a heavy laugh.
>> >
>> > We'll probably have to reinstall Linux. Is there a way to just replace
>> > some of the components or does it
>> > have to be a complete reinstall?
>> No you don't.
>>
>> > Is there another way to get at the password? We have RH 5.2 with shadow
>> > passwords on. We still have
>> > user access.
>> boot into single user mode (use single option at the LILO prompt). Or use
>> a boot disk that come with Red Hat.
> Is it just me, or is it realy this easy to break into a linux machine
> and take over as root?
It's that easy with any machine if you have physical access to it. You
can "root" a Sun or an NT box just as fast (well, not quite as fast
since the darned things take an eternity to boot). 8-)
C
--
Christopher Mauritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SETI comparisons
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:20:15 GMT
Bill McClain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carl Hilinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm curious if anyone else is running this and what kind of results they are
>> seeing.
> Pentium II 300Mhz, setiathome v1.1, Linux 2.0.36: 13 hours. This is
> running at nice 19 with me doing light work on the machine all day.
> This is with i386 code. I'm waiting for the current batch to finish so I
> can try the i686 version.
> It is fun to watch a background job get 99% of the cpu time without
> degrading interactive performance at all.
I've got about a dozen machines currently running Distributed.net's
RC5 cracker that I'm about to migrate over to the SETI project. I
should get a nice cross section of performance numbers under NT
and linux (K6-233 to dual PIII-500).
C
--
Christopher Mauritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A full-screen cross-hair cursor for X - does it exist?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:30:20 +0100
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Erik Rossen wrote:
> In the Access-HOWTO it is mentioned that there is no full-screen
> cross-hair cursor program for X available. The latest version of this
> HOWTO was written in 1997, so I am wondering if things have changed.
There is a Big X Cursor HOWTO I think.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hong)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: SCSI Question
Date: 21 May 1999 10:22:34 GMT
Would there be any problem with Linux if I have two SCSI cards
that use the same kind of chipset? In this case, a ASYS SC-875 and ASUS
SC-200, both use NCR/Symbios chipsets (875/810). Will this be any
problem having both in the same machine for Linux?
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From: Gareth Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: 21 May 1999 11:56:42 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mr S A Penny) writes:
> erm, what does RTFJF mean? I know RTFM but I can't think what a JF might
> be...
Read The Fine Jargon File.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/
--
Gareth Owen
http://www.ma.man.ac.uk/~gowen/lisp/
Emacs Makes A Computer Slow
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: GCC as crosscompiler to create Win95/DOS7.0 executables
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:06:39 GMT
schrammel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>is there an easy way to force gcc to create executables for
>DOS7.0(Win95), a command line option for example?
>I don´t like to shutdown my linux and boot Win95 where i´ve got a
>compiler.
You'll need to get the gcc source and compile as a cross-compiler.
Having unpacked the source run the configure script with the
option "target=i386-mingw32" or "target=i386-cygwin32" depending
on whether you want to compile executables using the basic
windows dlls or you want to use the cygnus unix extensions
found in cygwin.dll (which you'll have to download separately).
Norman
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 21 May 1999 12:43:58 +0200
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Even further off-topic:
>
> My Walther P99 was made in Germany. My Glock 30 was made in
> Austria. Do either of those countries allow citizens to buy and
> carry handguns?
Sure, if they have obtained a license for it.
--
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut für Neuroinformatik, Universitätsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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