Linux-Misc Digest #622, Volume #21 Tue, 31 Aug 99 20:13:08 EDT
Contents:
KDE/GNOME comparisons? (Matthew Cline)
Re: KDE/GNOME (Mark Timmings)
Re: APS UPS software for linux? (Peter Chen)
Re: Using grep to match complete words (Ken Pizzini)
Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks! (John Soltow)
Linux Counter: 113359 registered Linux users ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Trouble with make dep (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Linux real-time clock Y2K support ("Ted Pavlic")
Re: Disabling control-alt-delete from a program (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Cat Command not Found ("Virginia K. Wills")
Re: VMware - wow! (Spike!)
Re: Disabling control-alt-delete from a program (Steve Houseman)
Re: why not C++? (Nix)
Re: shellscript: i need a tmp filename how get a unique one ? (Jayan M)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Cline)
Subject: KDE/GNOME comparisons?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:45:41 GMT
I'm am looking for comparisons of KDE and GNOME, both from the point
of view of a user, and the point of view a developer who might want to
do some work on an open source desktop project. Are there any such
comparisons out on the web?
Thanks in advance.
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From: Mark Timmings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.config
Subject: Re: KDE/GNOME
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:41:56 +0100
In article <tqOi2BAYv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Timmings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas R. Shannon
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>Red Hat (and perhaps Mandrake) puts the gnome/enlightenment commands
>>in .Xclients. I believe the Afterstep commands end up in .xinit or
>>something like that. This file is evaluated after .Xclients so if
>>there's anything in it, it overrides .Xclients commands.
>>
>>Try deleting the later file.
>
>Thanks, I'll have a look into that.
Sorry to reply to my own message but in case others are looking for a
possible solution. I found I have switchdesk supplied with Mandrake-
Linux and this works a treat and switching between desktop types.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Chen)
Subject: Re: APS UPS software for linux?
Date: 31 Aug 1999 18:44:38 -0400
Rob Dover <rdover'@'bclc.stampoutspam.com> writes:
>http://www.brisse.dk/site/apcupsd/
I have tried both apcupsd and SmartUPSTools. Personally, I perfer
SmartUPSTools. I have it running on both a SmartUPS 1000 and 3000RM.
http://www.exploits.org/~rkroll/smartupstools/
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Pizzini)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: Using grep to match complete words
Date: 31 Aug 1999 22:38:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:52:57 +0100, Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone explain when you would use a double quote
>and when a single one?
Use single quotes unless you have a reason to use otherwise.
Typical reasons to use double-quotes:
. You have variable- or command- substitutions that you want
interpolated
. You have a string that contains a lot of single-quotes and
not too many `s, $s, or \s
--Ken Pizzini
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From: John Soltow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks!
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:16:07 -0400
Very entertaining, and thanks, for as long as I've worked on computers
and used the internet, I hadn't thought about using AltaVista to search so
specifically for the problem like you said. Thanks.
> <snip>
> Go to www.altavista.com, click on "Usenet", put the following into
> the search:
>
> +Oracle +Linux +"RedHat 6.0" +problem
>
> > 3. When I try to upgrade to kernel 2.2.11, the boot warning message
> > is like 'System map don't match'. Does RH force their customers only
> > stick with Kernel 2.2.5? Really stupid idea.
>
> RH has an *excellent* set of instructions on how to upgrade to the
> 2.2.x kernel from 2.0.36. I have used those instructions successfully
> a dozen times, never seen the message you did.
> <snip>
>
One comment: The "System map doesn't match" problem occurs with a
kernel upgrade. It's easily remedied by copying the System.map file
created in the /usr/src/linux directory to the /boot directory (making the
appropriate name change to reflect the kernel at the target end).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Counter: 113359 registered Linux users
Date: 31 Aug 1999 23:00:08 GMT
This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
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Good luck!
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This is the Linux Counter summary as of Tue Aug 31 17:46:20 1999
There are 113359 persons registerd.
3061 users have been registered by friends.
There are 60739 machines registered.
I guesstimate that between 0.2% and 5% of all Linux users have
registered with the Linux Counter.
So the total number of Linux users is probably between
2,267,180 and 56,679,500 people.
WHERE LINUX USERS LIVE
The table is sorted by number of Linux users divided by population
No Country Pers Fri Mach P/Mpop Mpop
======================================================================
1 NO Norway 2581 51 1089 588.8 4.4
2 FI Finland 2832 57 1369 554.7 5.1
3 AQ Antarctica 2 0 0 486.0 0.0
4 DK Denmark 2473 17 872 471.1 5.2
5 IS Iceland 123 4 67 455.1 0.3
6 SE Sweden 3843 62 1820 431.8 8.9
7 FO Faroe Islands 13 0 2 296.4 0.0
8 GI Gibraltar 8 1 11 278.1 0.0
9 SI Slovenia 521 8 132 267.0 2.0
10 EE Estonia 330 17 217 226.1 1.5
11 NL Netherlands 3150 52 1458 202.3 15.6
12 AT Austria 1362 31 683 169.8 8.0
13 CA Canada 4860 84 2285 168.6 28.8
14 MS Montserrat 2 0 1 156.6 0.0
15 AU Australia 2710 49 1436 148.4 18.3
16 US USA 37361 17 17803 140.2 266.5
17 NZ New Zealand 494 3 307 139.2 3.5
18 CH Switzerland 971 17 529 134.7 7.2
19 HU Hungary 1209 48 678 120.9 10.0
20 LU Luxembourg 50 0 12 120.2 0.4
21 BE Belgium 1211 525 572 119.1 10.2
22 IE Ireland 419 5 183 117.5 3.6
23 DE Germany 8727 189 4326 104.5 83.5
24 MC Monaco 3 1 3 94.6 0.0
25 SG Singapore 310 7 119 91.3 3.4
26 CY Cyprus 64 0 5 86.0 0.7
27 GL Greenland 5 0 1 85.9 0.1
28 AD Andorra 6 0 4 82.5 0.1
29 IL Israel 447 14 184 82.4 5.4
30 GB Great Britain 4808 111 2340 82.2 58.5
31 FR France 4577 114 1654 78.5 58.3
32 ES Spain 3064 33 791 78.2 39.2
33 VG Virgin Islands (British) 1 0 0 75.8 0.0
34 PT Portugal 668 10 266 67.7 9.9
35 KR Korea (South) 2819 17 340 62.0 45.5
36 HR Croatia 245 6 60 49.0 5.0
37 LT Lithuania 170 3 85 46.6 3.6
38 GR Greece 487 16 180 46.2 10.5
39 CZ Czech Republic 441 16 273 42.7 10.3
40 CR Costa Rica 142 0 67 41.0 3.5
41 UY Uruguay 129 0 26 39.8 3.2
42 SC Seychelles 3 0 0 38.7 0.1
43 IT Italy 2176 67 838 37.9 57.5
44 MT Malta 14 0 6 37.3 0.4
45 PL Poland 1428 55 859 37.0 38.6
46 BM Bermuda 2 0 4 32.2 0.1
47 BG Bulgaria 277 6 123 32.2 8.6
48 LI Liechtenstein 1 0 3 32.1 0.0
49 GU Guam 5 0 0 31.9 0.2
50 BB Barbados 8 0 2 31.1 0.3
51 KY Cayman Islands 1 0 2 28.9 0.0
52 BN Brunei 8 0 3 26.7 0.3
53 BR Brazil 4104 53 844 25.2 162.7
54 RO Romania 536 36 247 24.7 21.7
55 SK Slovakia 133 1 93 24.7 5.4
56 BZ Belize 5 0 5 22.8 0.2
57 MV Maldives 6 0 1 22.2 0.3
58 TW Taiwan 443 4 161 20.6 21.5
59 VI Virgin Islands (U.S.) 2 0 1 20.6 0.1
60 AR Argentina 682 7 183 19.7 34.7
61 LV Latvia 48 0 39 19.4 2.5
62 MY Malaysia 387 7 82 19.4 20.0
63 BS Bahamas 5 0 2 19.3 0.3
64 MP Northern Mariana Islands 1 0 1 19.1 0.1
65 MH Marshall Islands 1 0 0 17.1 0.1
66 CL Chile 242 6 99 16.9 14.3
67 ZA South Africa 692 12 313 16.6 41.7
68 NC New Caledonia 3 0 8 16.0 0.2
69 AW Aruba 1 0 0 14.8 0.1
70 VE Venezuela 294 1 90 13.4 22.0
71 TT Trinidad and Tobago 17 1 5 13.4 1.3
72 PF French Polynesia 3 0 4 13.3 0.2
73 MO Macau 6 0 0 12.1 0.5
74 TR Turkey 751 9 149 12.0 62.5
75 KW Kuwait 22 0 4 11.3 2.0
76 RE Reunion 7 0 2 10.3 0.7
77 PA Panama 27 0 12 10.2 2.7
78 BH Bahrain 6 0 3 10.2 0.6
79 MQ Martinique 4 0 1 10.0 0.4
80 PR Puerto Rico 38 0 13 10.0 3.8
81 MX Mexico 951 17 268 9.9 95.8
82 YU Yugoslavia (Serbia and Monte 106 6 59 9.9 10.8
83 RU Russia 1435 35 575 9.7 148.2
84 AN Netherlands Antilles 2 0 1 9.6 0.2
85 TN Tunisia 84 0 11 9.3 9.0
86 NA Namibia 15 0 10 8.9 1.7
87 MU Mauritius 10 0 3 8.8 1.1
88 FM Micronesia, Federated States 1 0 0 8.0 0.1
89 JP Japan 865 7 252 6.9 125.4
90 AE United Arab Emirates 21 1 13 6.9 3.1
91 MK Macedonia 14 2 4 6.7 2.1
92 UA Ukraine 327 10 152 6.4 50.9
93 BA Bosnia and Herzegovina 17 0 1 6.4 2.7
94 LC Saint Lucia 1 0 0 6.3 0.2
95 CO Colombia 226 3 78 6.1 36.8
96 PY Paraguay 33 0 9 6.0 5.5
97 AM Armenia 20 0 6 5.8 3.5
98 VU Vanuatu 1 0 3 5.6 0.2
99 QA Qatar 3 1 1 5.5 0.5
100 BW Botswana 8 0 3 5.4 1.5
101 BY Belarus 54 5 22 5.2 10.4
102 SR Suriname 2 0 2 4.6 0.4
103 JM Jamaica 10 0 2 3.9 2.6
104 PH Philippines 277 4 49 3.7 74.5
105 BO Bolivia 26 0 5 3.6 7.2
106 MD Moldova 16 0 7 3.6 4.5
107 EC Ecuador 40 0 11 3.5 11.5
108 CU Cuba 36 6 18 3.3 11.0
109 TH Thailand 188 3 64 3.2 58.9
110 LB Lebanon 11 1 5 2.9 3.8
111 PE Peru 66 0 15 2.7 24.5
112 HN Honduras 15 0 5 2.7 5.6
113 GP Guadeloupe 1 0 2 2.5 0.4
114 MN Mongolia 6 0 3 2.4 2.5
115 OM Oman 5 0 0 2.3 2.2
116 DO Dominican Republic 16 0 5 2.0 8.1
117 SV El Salvador 10 0 17 1.7 5.8
118 GA Gabon 2 0 2 1.7 1.2
119 GT Guatemala 19 0 5 1.7 11.3
120 KZ Kazakhstan 26 0 11 1.5 16.9
121 GY Guyana 1 0 0 1.4 0.7
122 SA Saudi Arabia 24 0 10 1.2 19.4
123 AL Albania 4 2 4 1.2 3.2
124 JO Jordan 5 0 2 1.2 4.2
125 ID Indonesia 223 34 90 1.1 206.6
126 ZW Zimbabwe 11 0 6 1.0 11.3
127 NI Nicaragua 4 0 2 0.9 4.3
128 PG Papua New Guinea 4 0 1 0.9 4.4
129 ZM Zambia 8 0 4 0.9 9.2
130 GM Gambia 1 0 0 0.8 1.2
131 LK Sri Lanka 14 1 2 0.8 18.6
132 CN China 883 3 173 0.7 1210.0
133 UZ Uzbekistan 17 0 4 0.7 23.4
134 IN India 671 16 213 0.7 952.1
135 EG Egypt 43 1 6 0.7 63.6
136 KG Kyrgyzstan 3 0 1 0.7 4.5
137 MA Morocco 19 0 9 0.6 29.8
138 GE Georgia 3 0 19 0.6 5.2
139 AZ Azerbaijan 4 0 2 0.5 7.7
140 CI Cote d'Ivoire 7 0 4 0.5 14.8
141 MR Mauritania 1 0 0 0.4 2.3
142 PK Pakistan 50 5 10 0.4 129.3
143 MG Madagascar 5 0 1 0.4 13.7
144 VN Vietnam 25 0 4 0.3 74.0
145 SN Senegal 3 0 0 0.3 9.1
146 CF Central African Republic 1 0 0 0.3 3.3
147 KE Kenya 8 0 2 0.3 28.2
148 MZ Mozambique 5 0 2 0.3 17.9
149 KH Cambodia 3 0 1 0.3 10.9
150 NP Nepal 6 0 0 0.3 22.1
151 IR Iran 15 0 10 0.2 66.1
152 TG Togo 1 0 0 0.2 4.6
153 CM Cameroon 3 0 2 0.2 14.3
154 SL Sierra Leone 1 0 0 0.2 4.8
155 LA Laos 1 0 1 0.2 5.0
156 LY Libya 1 0 1 0.2 5.4
157 RW Rwanda 1 0 0 0.1 6.9
158 BD Bangladesh 17 0 7 0.1 123.1
159 TZ Tanzania 4 0 0 0.1 29.1
160 DZ Algeria 3 0 1 0.1 29.2
161 ET Ethiopia 3 0 0 0.1 57.2
162 UG Uganda 1 0 0 0.0 20.2
163 AF Afghanistan 1 0 0 0.0 22.7
164 XW The World (Somewhere in it) 252 217 1 0.0 5771.9
165 NG Nigeria 3 0 1 0.0 103.9
166 WF Wallis and Futuna Islands 1 0 1 0.0 0.0
WHERE PEOPLE USE LINUX
Place Users Percent
==============================
school 20953 18.75%
home 98741 88.36%
not used 18 0.02%
work 44438 39.77%
somewhere 2848 2.55%
==============================
TOTAL 111743 100.00%
NOTE: The total is the 111743 users who answered this question.
Some gave more than one answer, so the number of answers is 166998
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Subject: Re: Trouble with make dep
Date: 31 Aug 1999 14:32:09 -0400
> I have a fresh install of the 2.2.5 kernel and am trying to compile the
> kernel (for ftape). Anyhow, when I run make dep I get the following
> error:
>
> make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers/fc4'
> Makefile:10: ../../.config: No such file or directory
> make[4]: *** No rule to make target `../../.config'. Stop.
> make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers/fc4'
> make[3]: *** [_sfdep_fc4] Error 2
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers'
> make[2]: *** [fastdep] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers'
> make[1]: *** [_sfdep_drivers] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5'
> make: *** [dep-files] Error 2
Did you make config (or make oldconfig or make xconfig or make
menuconfig) first?
Collin
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From: "Ted Pavlic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux real-time clock Y2K support
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:20:35 -0400
Does anyone know of an application for Linux that will provide protection
against real-time clocks that are not Y2K-compliant? I know of a DOS TSR
that sort of acts like a wrapper around the BIOS, if there is a Y2K issue
with the RTC, and ends up making corrections where necessary. Is there
anything like this for Linux?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Disabling control-alt-delete from a program
Date: 31 Aug 1999 19:07:05 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can someone explain how to disable the console control-alt-del key sequence
Remove or comment out the "ca" entry in /etc/inittab, and do "telinit q".
If you want to control it programmatically, consider writing a suidperl
script to switch between two inittab files.
>so that if an important program is running some bozo can't reboot the
>machine short of doing a hardware reset.
larting the bozo might be a better solution though.
>I know its possible since the XF86 server accomplishes it somehow (though
>I've never understood why it bothered)
Probably because X puts the keyboard in some sort of raw mode, so it can
control keyboard handling completely.
HTH,
Ray
--
UNFAIR Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried
to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY,
UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: "Virginia K. Wills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cat Command not Found
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:55:34 +0000
Would someone please help me!! I can't recompile my kernel to fit my
stand alone system with ISP network connection only. I get a message
that says bash /bin/sh cat: command not found.
Because of this missing cat command I cannot install my Hewlett-Packard
670C computer. The message is bash ghostscript not installed. It is
installed.
When I reboot my system I get
/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit cat: command not found There is also error messages
about the S10 network and sendmail error messages looking for a K99
network etc.
I have looked everywhere I can think of to replace this misssing cat
command. All the dependency are correct. I cannot figure out what I am
missing.
I sent a message yesterday and no one has even answered.
Virginia
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:07:27 +0100
And verily, didst Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
>>I think the inter-process communication between these forks is done rather
>>cleverly with the QL network emulation... This means all the virtual QLs can
>>talk to each other using the standard SuperBASIC interpreter...
>>
>>(could be wrong though)
>>
>>Just thought I'd mention it because it seems to be a similar thing to what
>>you were talking about.
> While I was generally aware of the existance of a QL emulator, I was
> not familiar with that; it sure sounds a lot like what I was
> describing.
> The killer question, of course, is whether or not people are writing
> code for Virtual QL instances running atop Linux... :-)
Well... The QL is still being supported by a dedicated band of followers...
Some even commercial, and anything that could make use of the network could
be made to work on multiple instances of the emulator...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Houseman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Disabling control-alt-delete from a program
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:49:47 +0000
Hello NJR,
Dont know how to disable ctl-alt-del but but two connected items
are sysctl and /proc/sys/kernel/ctrl-alt-del
Havent experimented but man sysctl and sysctl.h imply it ought to do
something .
Cheers,
Steve Houseman
--
currently steve.houseman at virgin net
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From: Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: 31 Aug 1999 21:16:57 +0100
Andomar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[dereferencing NULL and pasing it to functions]
> How else would you pass the char at address 0 ? I mean,
> there must be a way to allow that.
You can't cast arbitrary ints to pointers in a Standard-conforming
program, and pointers may have arbitrary internal structure. `Address 0'
may be represented by something quite different to all-bits-0, and `0'
(the null pointer constant) need not be represented by all-bits-0.
--
'- I can't believe my room doesn't have Ethernet! Why wasn't it wired
when the house was built?
- The house was built in 1576.' --- Alex Kamilewicz on the Oxford
breed of `conference American'.
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From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shellscript: i need a tmp filename how get a unique one ?
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:17:27 GMT
oops, didn't know that.. thanks for the info..
Jayan
Stephan Houben wrote:
> Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Also remember to use the process id or user id also in some way,
> > if you need real 'uniqueness'.
>
> `mktemp' takes already care of that, otherwise it would be of little use.
>
> > Remember linux is real-time
> > multiuser not like window~1, so consider the fact that two
> > users (or one user from multiple consoles) might be running
> > your app at the same time..
>
> Fortunately, the authors of `mktemp' remembered that too...
>
> Stephan
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