Linux-Misc Digest #714, Volume #21 Tue, 7 Sep 99 12:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Selecting GUIs? (Abbadon)
Re: Can't start X fonts server (Avery Earle)
Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX? (Reinier Post)
set file permissions automatic (Henry Vermeulen)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Modem suggestions ("Daniel P. Gelinske")
Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects (Bart Vanhauwaert)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: I've got a PCI Winmodem... (David Mitchell)
help:MS Proxy Client (Patrick Lemire)
Re: Gnome Panel in KDE??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A simple way to upload multiple files per ftp (Turgut Durduran)
Re: You think I shouln invest in Red Hat? (Ian Falu)
Re: Dual Pentium II shows as Dual Celeron... ("Robert (Bob) McGwier")
Re: after gcc 2.95.1 installation c++ compiler doesn't work ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sound help needed (Jayan M)
why GUI (was: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie) (Reinier Post)
Connecting To Juno Using Linux (Linux Hacker)
Problem printing from StarOffice 5.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Problems with "LILO" Please Help (Cameron L. Spitzer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Abbadon)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Selecting GUIs?
Date: 7 Sep 1999 12:02:04 GMT
In article <7qm238$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Luke Th. Bullock wrote:
>In alt.linux.sux the GURU Abbadon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Brown wrote:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, NF Stevens wrote:
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Abbadon) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[snip]
>>>>>but I only use the panel and even then not that much) put in .xinitrc
>>>>>
>>>>>exec gnome-session
>>>>>exec panel
>>>>>exec (window manager of choice)
>>>>>
>>>>...
>>>>You only need the first of these (exec gnome-session). The session manager
>>>>will start up the window manager, the panel and any other applications you
>>>>have told it to start.
>>>
>>>Yeah, anything after the first exec will never see the light of
>>>day as at that point, the .xinitrc script is replaced by gnome-session.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dave Brown Austin, TX
>
>>Ahh... see all I use is the panel. So my .xinitrc looks like this:
>>exec panel
>>exec wmaker
>>Ahh well..learn something new every day (Hopefully)
>>Abbadon
>
>
>job control, remember.. ie:
>
>exec panel &
>exec wmaker
>
>--
>/Luke
Ackk...the effects of not enough sleep. 8*) Ok here's my .xinitrc file:
# This starts up Enlightenment
# exec enlightenment
# This starts up the gnome panel
/usr/local/gnome/bin/panel &
#This starts up windowmaker
exec wmaker
Abbadon
--
Good and evil are only opinions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Avery Earle)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Can't start X fonts server
Date: 7 Sep 1999 11:37:31 GMT
xfs will not put itself into background; start it like so ---
xfs -options &
In article <7r1uv9$oqh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent) writes:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:41:15 +0800, Victor Lee wrote:
> > I have currently upgrade the Xserver from 3.3.3 to 3.3.5. After I
> >execute the preinst.sh, extract and finally postinst.sh., I can execute
> >XF86Setup and set the config successfully. But when I reboot the
> >machine, it hangs at the startup. It stops at the place where it is
> >trying to start the X fonts server. What can I do to correct this
> >problem?
> >
> Check the catalogue of font directories in the config file,
> which may be at /etc/X11/fs/config. If any of those
> directories don't exist, comment out or delete that line.
>
> Bob T.
--
Compromise would be complicity. -- Maurice Duplessis
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From: Reinier Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX?
Date: 7 Sep 1999 14:43:31 +0200
Big Daddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Me personally, I like the "Advanced Text Editor", in KDE. Syntax
>highlighting. What else do you need?
Automatic URL management, support to keep look and feel consistent
across the whole site, easy switching between just browsing a page
and editing it - if it's yours - etc. Who's interested in syntax?
--
Reinier Post
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henry Vermeulen)
Subject: set file permissions automatic
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:56:13 GMT
Hi all.
I want file permissions set to 755 automaticly when files are
transferred in a cgi directory.
I know there is a x-bit what has to be set on that directory
but i can't figure out how to do it.
Greetings
Henry Vermeulen
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 7 Sep 1999 12:49:21 GMT
I had one hell of a time getting Linux to work on my very early
attempts (1994-ish).
I can now do it in my sleep, because Linux distributions have gotten
much better, plus I now know what I'm doing.
But do expect a learning curve, and *don't* expect for programs that
are known to be buggy and/or under heavy development, such as Netscape
or Gnome, to work perfectly.
Also don't rule out the possibility of hardware conflicts and/or user
error. Both are common, and every stability problem I've had with
Linux in recent years turned out to be either (a) hardware, or (b) me
doing stupid things - or, actually, things I now know to be stupid,
but which didn't seem so stupid at the time. ("Gee, my version of
libc is old; I think I'll upgrade!")
Joe
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From: "Daniel P. Gelinske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem suggestions
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 05:21:11 -0700
remove-to-reply Matt Friedman wrote:
> Okay... Winmodems don't work with Linux. I got that.
>
> But does anyone have any suggestions of inexpensive internal v.90 modems
> that DO work under Linux? I'm looking for something cheap and dirty, and if
> worse comes to worst I have an old USR 28.8 that I could slap in. It's just
> I could benefit from the experience of some of you folk who've solved the
> problem.
>
Im currently using a Smartlink 5634BTS v.90/x2 modem from Archtek, and it runs
great under linux... Its set to /dev/ttyS1 (com 2)... you can jumper it to be
plug n pray, or jumper it for a specific setting (which is what I do) for
linux compatibility. So far this modem has been reliable under both Winblows
and Linux platforms...
Hope this helps.
Dan Gelinske
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From: Bart Vanhauwaert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:42:23 +0200
Niels Möller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Last time I tried gcc's c++ compiler (the egcs version and c++
: libraries supplied with cygwin-b20), I got the impression that it
: didn't do namespaces as required by the standard. And that it didn't
gcc 2.95.1 does them (modulo bugs). libstdc++ however is not yet
converted to use the std:: namespace so the old standard namespace
faking code is still on by default.
: even attempt to get template instantiation right. The latter part is
Templates are likely not to have a perfect implementation, however they
are usable, and things are most certainly looking a lot better when
comparing with the sorry state of affairs of only a few years ago.
: probably bug compatible with M$'s C++ compiler. That compiler has a
: lot of other bugs (delete on const pointers is disallowed, for
: instance).
Which compiler do you mean, the Microsoft C++ compiler or gcc. Sorry, I
don't (nor want to) deal with commercial compilers.
: Things might be getting better, but that is the _current_ state of C++
: compilers, as far as I have been able to determine. I would be
Things are at least better than you are implying.
: surprised if it takes less than two or three years until C++ is
: reasonably stable.
: It seems I was not clear here. I think that the "fewer hackers know
: C++" argument may be irrelevant. I think the "a lot of potential
: hackers are turned away by C++" is something you should take into
: account. In particular if you think it could be useful to have your
: code linked into other projects.
The code I've written so far was for my own pleasure (I don't mind to
share it however). The day I code for a target, I might as well earn
money from it... But indeed, others will have other reasons to write
free software indeed (to advance the community etc...) There you could
have a point. I attribute this shortcoming however to the ones not
wanting to deal with C++.
:> If one can express the interface in plain C, it can be expressed in a
:> straightforward enough C++ that will map on the OO framework within the
:> script language.
: There are two cases: (i) The C++ interface is more or less equivalent
: to a plain C interface. That's fine, and it probably implies that a
: small subset of C++ is being used (for example, no C++ streams visible
: at the interface). On the other hand, if you do things this way,
: perhaps there's no reason to use C++ from the start? (ii) The
: interface contains a lot of C++ specific cruft, relies on C++ style OO
: and memory allocation (more on that below), exceptions, etc. As to
: which interface style is more common, I don't know. What is your
: experience?
I would say (i). The reason to use C++ however would not stem for the
interface but from the ease of implementation. So, for example, if a low
level service library is more straightforward to implement with a
procedural approach : power to them! And provide a C++ wrapper if you
want to be nice. However, a windowing system maps so naturally on an OO
approach that it would be nonsense not to implement it that way. And I
think C++ has a better OO framework than OO-ish C.
What I object to is the : C++ is evil, everything must be C.
:> Or do it the other way around, just as easy (difficult).
: No. For starters, you may have to compile the interpreter with a C++
You don't have to. There is no need to do it. main() is all that has to
be compiled with a C++ compiler. And the main() function is in the
application, and not in the library or the embedded interpreter.
: Most OO-oriented languages I have seen use an "object reference" as
: the basic data type; pointers are passed around, some type checking
: and method lookups are done as needed, and there is some kind of gc
: (I include reference counting schemes here) behind the scenes to take
: care of deallocation issues.
You can pass pointers or references around in C++, if you choose to do
so. You can add a garbage collection scheme when you need it.
: A typical C++ programs often handles OO very differently; you prefer
: copying objects when passing them around rather than sharing pointers,
: and a lot of strange things happens behind the scenes (I was somewhat
: shocked when I discovered that the realloc-style operation on standard
: C++ vectors involves using copy-constructors and destructors on all
: objects in the vector). Instance variables that are objects or often
: non-pointers, etc.
If you were shocked, it shows that you don't use C++ frequently. It's
only natural when you think about it. A re-alloc potentially has to move
the content (objects). Moving means copying the originals to a new
position first and then destructing the old objects. Copy constructors
and destructors specifically allow you to control this part of the inner
workings. Note that you (i) don't have to provide them (ii) a compiler
is free to use the as-if rule to optimize all of this if copying and
destructing is indeed a trivial operation.
Note that you have the option to use references or pointers if you
really want to avoid all of this.
cu bart
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 7 Sep 1999 13:40:06 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:>Netscape is quite probably the most fragile program I've run under
:>Linux. You probably didn't have to power down, though. Ctl-Alt-Fx to
: I just had the priviledge of using it under Solaris. It is just as
: fragile there. It is Netscape, not Linux.
I know. Linux, and XFree, are extremely stable for me, but Netscape
is close to being unusable. (I've tried 4.08, 4.5, and I think 4.61.)
Are there any other *usable* browsers for Linux that won't fall over
dead on a page with frames, tables, CSS, and JavaScript? I know we
will eventually have Mozilla, Opera, and Konqueror; however there has
not yet been a public release of any of these to my knowledge. Is
anyone successfully using any of these on Linux?
Joe
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From: David Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I've got a PCI Winmodem...
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:04:54 +0100
In article <01bef8dd$5ecff360$ad0d000a@ajhunter>, Tony Hunter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>I have one of those damned "win/loss"modems in my thinkpad 390e. What a
>piece of crap. It will definitely not work under linux. Mine is a Lucent
>Winmodem. Lucent says they have no plans on writing a driver that will
>support the unices. So, I have to go out and buy a new "real" modem that
>will work under a "real" OS. Micro$loth has done it again.
>
>Tony Hunter
>
>Ray O'Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> David Mitchell wrote:
>> >
>> > I've just bought a V.90 Fax Modem from Microcomputer Research Inc.,
>> > which I specifically bought on the say-so of the sales bod, who assured
>> > me that it would work with linux.
>> >
>> > Have I inadvertently purchased a yellow citric fruit?
>>
>
Yep I have.
I just heard from Microtech Tech Support, and they proudly confirmed
that it won't run under linux.
Bastards.
I even tried using setserial (thanks to Bill Staehle for the URL's), but
to no avail.
Oh well, now I have to go find one which will work...
--
==========================================================================
David Mitchell ===== A life spent making mistakes is not only
================================ more honourable but more useful than a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ===== life spent doing nothing. - GBS
==========================================================================
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From: Patrick Lemire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help:MS Proxy Client
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:27:56 -0400
Hi guys,
Did anybody ever try to go pass a MS proxy server with a linux station?
At work, i have a linux station but we use this type of proxy, and only
MS client can use the internet.
Need some advise, or direction.
Thanks,
patrick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome Panel in KDE???
Date: 07 Sep 1999 15:44:50 +0200
Walter Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still hate the desktop border switching in KDE (mouse winds up on
> opposite side of the screen, or in the middle) but I've pretty much
Why don't you switch it off?
Frank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Turgut Durduran)
Crossposted-To: redhat.servers.general,redhat.general
Subject: Re: A simple way to upload multiple files per ftp
Date: 7 Sep 1999 14:10:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Can somebody tell me a simple way to upload a filesystem tree with multiple
: files. I have to do it periodically, so I wan't to do it with the help
: of cron.
ncftp is the way to go. I donot remember the syntax. but theman page
is pretty good. you can also write little scripts so you can use it
with cron.
Also if you are using ssh , you might use "scp" . which I think is slower
and more resource consuming but more secure.
not an expert on any of these :)
turgut
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Falu)
Subject: Re: You think I shouln invest in Red Hat?
Date: 7 Sep 1999 14:31:24 GMT
RHAT IPO
In article <7qtovr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>Ian Falu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: I need an opinion from the technical side!!!
>
>It depends :-) Are you a technically savvy person? Do you have lots of
>time on your hands?
>
>Or are you referring to the RH IPO, not the $2 CD from LinuxMall? ;-)
>
>--
>Andy Purugganan
>annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
>apurugganan AT amadeuslink DOT com
>
>
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From: "Robert (Bob) McGwier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Dual Pentium II shows as Dual Celeron...
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:39:33 GMT
Ahh well that is easy. It is <<NOT>> part of the Pentium II processor,
it is part of the Pentium II PACKAGE you bought. Inside that little
box are several things, the pentium as well as L2 cache and other
things all on a circuit board. Now I understand the confusion.
Bob
Stuart Hall wrote:
> This post is not necessarily in response to Bob McGwier, but to anyone
> who responded:
>
> To clarify, what I did on that second night was to enable external
> cache, and disable internal cache, which caused my system to run
> slower, although the cpu was then identified by the kernel correctly.
>
> I have since enabled *both* internal and external cache (that is,
> re-enabled internal cache) and the system is working perfectly, and
> detecting the CPUs perfectly.
>
> The initial question, which seems to have been resolved now through
> experimentation, was why the L2 cache was described as external cache,
> even though it is part of the Pentium II processor -- that is, to a
> newbie, I am plugging a big unit into a slot on the mainboard, not
> really plugging anything in separately. Anyway, I understand now the
> difference.
>
> Sorry if the wording on my initial post caused a lot of confusion.
> Thanks to everyone for all the information.
>
> Stuart
>
> "Robert (Bob) McGwier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so kindly spent valuable
> time on Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:21:12 GMT writing:
>
> >And furthermore, what the chip provides is the HARDWARE TO MANAGE
> >the external cache, and not the memory itself.
> >
> >Artur Swietanowski wrote:
> >
> >> Greg Leblanc wrote:
> >> > (...) L1 is internal cache. It's ON THE PROCESSOR CORE.
> >> > L2 cache is (...) NOT on the processor core, and therefore is
> >> > NOT internal cache. (...) the external cache is now a part of
> >> > the processor.
> >>
> >> This is some kind of Intel newspeak that I was not aware of (till
> >> now). If you read the above, you'll see that L2 which is a part of
> >> the processor, is called external. To me that's an oxymoron.
> >>
> >> Thanks for claryfying my confusion,
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Artur Swietanowski mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Institut für Statistik, Operations Research und Computerverfahren,
> >> Universität Wien, Universitätsstr. 5, A-1010 Wien, Austria
> >> tel. +43 (1) 427 738 620 fax +43 (1) 427 738 629
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> Stuart Hall
> Connecticut, USA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: after gcc 2.95.1 installation c++ compiler doesn't work
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:08:39 GMT
In article <7r2km7$57d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I've installed gcc 2.95.1 on my RH Linux 6.0
> after the instalation i've removed packages :
> egcs-c++-1.1.2-12
> egcs-1.1.2-12
> libstdc++-2.9.0-12
>
> now when I try to run groff it complaints it cannot find library
> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
>
> When i I tried to recompile groff configure script claims that I have
no
> working c++ compiler
> here its output :
>
> loading cache ./config.cache
> checking for prefix by ... checking for grops... no
> checking for gcc... gcc
> checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
> checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
> checking for c++... c++
> checking whether we are using GNU C++... yes
> checking whether c++ accepts -g... yes
> checking whether cross-compiling... no
> checking that C++ compiler can compile simple program... no
> configure: error: a working C++ compiler is required
>
To add insult to injury, MOST configure scripts I have run in the last
month allege the c compiler can not create executables, either. Efforts
to upgrade return messages that the egcs-* files version 1.1.12 are
required. It's become something of a chicken and the egg phenomenon and
the few times I have used 'rpm -Uvh --force egcs-blah.rpm' I've run into
conflicting /usr/lib/include/*.h issues. Any insights or rememdies?
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux.slakware,comp.os.linux.help
From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound help needed
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:10:18 GMT
cat /dev/sndstat, and see if the driver that you selected is
listed.
Jayan
Glenn Meuth wrote:
> Well, lsmod will tell you if the module is in use . . . but I can't be much help from
> there. I assume you have already set up the card with pnpdump & isapnp . . .
> Glenn
>
> "J. Escalante" wrote:
>
> > Cooper wrote:
> >
> > > JERE WAMBLE wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a pnp ess 1869 card and I have had no seccess in getting it to
> > > > work. However, I do seem to have made one small step on the road. I
> > > > don't know exactly how I did it, but I recompiled and when I boot up i
> > > > see something to the effect
> > > > ESS003 ess1869 card at Blah-blah location is ok.
> > > > also, some other line that says the card is ok.
> > > >
> > > > However, I don't have any luck past there. When I check /dev/audio, I
> > > > see the file there, but when I try to cat a file to it , I get the
> > > > message
> > > > "/dev/audio-no such device"
> > > > I suppose this might be the problem, but not sure if it is the one, or
> > > > the only one. I don't know what to do from here. I am not familiar wit
> > > > the MAKDEV, or whatever, or even if I need to use it since the file is
> > > > there, but not initialized.
> > > > If someone could help, I would really appreciate it. It would sure help
> > > > get further away from Windows. I have Slackware 4.0, with KDE. I have
> > > > had sound working on another computer with Slackware 3.6, but no luck
> > > > here. I do NOT really understand isapnp, but my tinkering around with it
> > > > might be okay since I see the messages above on bootup.
> > >
> > > The line about card blah blah ok looks like it indeed came from isapnp
> > > meaning that your PnP card got initialised.
> > > The thing about PnP devices is that support for them *MUST* be compiled
> > > as a module. If you don't do it the kernel gets started first, along
> > > with the support for the card which will fail because the card wasn't
> > > initialised yet (which is what isapnp does). Isapnp can't start until
> > > the kernel starts the rc.* files.
> > > What you need to do is add lines to your /etc/conf.modules that
> > > specifies the settings of your sound device.
> > > Look in the Documentation subdir of the Linux sources for hints on that.
> > > I don't have your card so I can't help you much further with this, but
> > > this should at least point you in the right direction.
> > >
> > > Oh, one more thing. The 'files' in /dev (they're devices!) aren't there
> > > for what's in your system, but for what Linux would allow in your
> > > system. And with that I mean Linux in general. Your kernel compilation
> > > will typically exclude certain devices. That the device node is there
> > > doesn't mean that there's actually a device behind it or that support
> > > for it has been compiled into the kernel.
> > >
> > > Test if your soundcard had been found by the system with 'cat
> > > /dev/sndstat'.
> > >
> > > Cooper
> > > ---
> > > Quake 3 made me do it!
> >
> > I have a similar problem, only that I have a Audio Excel that emulates SB16.
> > At the time I compiled the kernel, I specified that the card I had was one
> > that emulates SoundBlaster 16/32/etc. My question is, how can determine
> > whether the sound card module has been installed and if it is the wrong
> > module trouble shoot it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reinier Post)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: why GUI (was: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie)
Date: 7 Sep 1999 16:45:00 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lizard) wrote:
>b)One set of commands for basic operations shared by ALL applications. Once
>you learn how to select text, or pick items from a list, or the 'select
>one' metaphor for radio buttons, you've learned it. When you see radio
>button in another application, you know they won't act like checkboxes (if
>the programmer did his job).
This is not inherent to GUIs; after all, keyboard shortcuts are
standardized, too, and you can often get by using the keyboard alone.
>d)(I lied, four ways) Commands and options are easily visible on the screen
>-- no need to page through a dozen help files to see what you can do with
>your current work environment.
Well, the VMS help system solved this, too - the idea was to have, in
any context, a HELP command to list general info and the list of available
commands, and HELP <command> for the specific commands. Unix manpages
don't quite provide the same functionality, and man -k is often broken.
Having pull-down and pop-up menus is a help, but it is not essential.
>You do not need graphics per se to achieve these goals. You do need
>programs that conform to a standard set of interface guidelines and data
>formats. Dancing penguins are optional.
But isn't this just as true for text-only apps? How is this an
argument for GUIs?
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Reinier Post [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Linux Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Connecting To Juno Using Linux
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:13:49 -0400
Hi,
Has anyone had ever setup his/her Linux machine to make a connection to
Juno through modem and download the e-mail? What about making a PPP
connection through Juno using a Linux machine?
TIA.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PS> Remove the "4" from e-mail address to respond.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Problem printing from StarOffice 5.1
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:55:21 GMT
I am currently running the SuSe 6.1 linux distribution on an Intel P100
server. I have setup my printer and the relevent print queue and
everything is working correctly from the OS and Ghostview. So I can
print in both postscript and text to this printer.
The printer is a Canon BJC200.
I then tried to setup StarOffice 5.1 to use this printer. I started the
program "psetup" and it came back with the following message: "Abort",
which is very helpful.
Since then, I haven't be able to make any progress on it and I haven't
found the way to contact (using e-mail) the support for StarOffice.
So if anybody has any suggestion, please feel free.
Cheers.
Bertrand Sirodot.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Problems with "LILO" Please Help
Date: 7 Sep 1999 15:09:07 GMT
In article <7r2nv5$4dj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Todd Lenderman wrote:
>I am using Caldera Open Linux with Windows 98 on a 13 gig harddrive.
>I am try to be able to boot to either operating system. When in Linux
>and I try to install LILO I get this error
>
>The following error has occurred
>
>Problems has occured during the LILO installation.
>
>Warning : Device 0x0306 Exceeds 1024 Cylinder Limit
>
>geo_comp_addr : cylinder number is to big (1418 > 1023)
>
>
>
>
>I think Linux is telling me my harddrive is too big.
It's telling you you're trying to install a bootimage or
create a map file on a partition which includes cylinder 1418.
The lilo installer cannot describe a block on that cylinder
in a way that the LILO boot loader will be able to find it at
boot time, because LILO uses a BIOS call interface that only
has a range up to 1023. (This is due to a lack of foresight
by the consultant who "designed" the IBM PC in 1978-79.
It is often erroneously blamed on Microsoft or Bill Gates.)
There are two workarounds.
1. Create a small partition on the first few cylinders of
the drive, just to use for booting.
2. Restrict the first partition on the drive to cylinders
1-1023, and put your Lilo-related files there. It does not
matter whether it is a Linux or a Microsoft partition, as
long as it's not compressed. You will have to reinstall
Lilo if you run a defragmenting tool.
Cameron
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