Linux-Misc Digest #715, Volume #21 Tue, 7 Sep 99 14:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Current Linux Users ("Kerry J. Cox")
A simple way to upload multiple files per ftp (Alex)
Xylogics serial board (Bruno Quesnel)
Re: Current Linux Users (Christopher Michael Collins)
Re: backup with tar to cdr (Computer)
problems with spaces in directory names (bruce)
Re: XGA w/ OS/2 and Linux on laptop (Peter Stein)
Re: How to read Chinese in Netscape Communicator 4.6? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: XGA w/ OS/2 and Linux on laptop ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Reinier Post)
Re: Peaceful Coexistence (Matt Friedman)
cd-rw through parallel (Jeb Bolding)
Re: XGA w/ OS/2 and Linux on laptop ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You think I shouln invest in Red Hat? (Ian Falu)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ("Inge Vabekk")
Can't Toggle local echo in Linux telnet client ("G. Philippe Menos")
Re: Bogus BogoMIPS & System Instability??? (brian moore)
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From: "Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Current Linux Users
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:44:12 -0600
At the risk of starting a rather large thread, I have a few questions
about the Linux user community. Does anyone know what the current
number of Linux users is? I heard recently that there was something in
the neighborhood of 10 million according to RedHat. Anyone know where I
can find firm figures on this?
Also, any projections about the number of Linux users in the next few
years? This can be rather ballpark. Anyone know of past estimates as
to how many Linux users were there?
Just trying to run some figures past my boss in support of getting Linux
more prevalent in the office.
Thanks in advance.
KJ
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.servers.general,redhat.general
Subject: A simple way to upload multiple files per ftp
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:31:12 GMT
Can somebody tell me a simple way to upload a filesystem tree with multiple
files. I have to do it periodically, so I wan't to do it with the help
of cron.
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From: Bruno Quesnel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Xylogics serial board
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:11:27 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi.
I'm part of a Ham radio club and we received a gift.... A xylogics
annex micro els. This piece of hardware permits to plug 16 serial ports
and making them available to the network...
The only problem, is that we don't have any documentation about this
peice of hardware and no software.
Has any one worked with this model or something similar and would
provide some explication on how to access each ports....
Thanks in advance......
Bruno Quesnel
Electrical Engineering, Montreal
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Subject: Re: Current Linux Users
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Michael Collins)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:39:26 GMT
Kerry J. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>At the risk of starting a rather large thread, I have a few questions
>about the Linux user community. Does anyone know what the current
>number of Linux users is?
Well let's start a list:
Chris Collins #1
;)
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--Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Computer)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: backup with tar to cdr
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:50:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>How can I use 'cdrecord' (or other utility) to compress tar a filesystem
>>to cdr?
>You know, a one-minute Deja News search would have found that
>information without your posting. What's ironic is that you're
>posting FROM Deja.com.
Yes, but his search would not have allowed me to learn from this
posting.
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From: bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problems with spaces in directory names
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:45:46 -0400
We're using a RH 6.0 server w/ Samba to provide file services to our
Win95 PCs. Once a week, I tar everything. That works OK. All other
nights, I only tar the files that have changed. The command is in the
form:
tar cf <tarball> `find -newer /touchfile -print`
This fails on dirs w/ spaces in the name. For example, instead of
tarring /home/user1/App Data/file1.txt, it logs 2 errors: Could not find
/home/user1/App & Could not find Data/file1.txt.
Can someone recommend a nice solution to this? thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Stein)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,alt.comp.hardware,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: XGA w/ OS/2 and Linux on laptop
Date: 7 Sep 1999 16:18:09 GMT
In article <37d53618$15$qnivfs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <7r39r8$q0n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/07/99
> at 03:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Stein) said:
>
>>>From what I've heard ATI are definitely Linux-unfriendly.
>>>Not only they don't make drivers, they won't let others do it :-(
>
>>xfree86 3.3.5 has ATI Rage support. If this is unsatisfactory there is
>>the commercial Xinside (www.xig.com) server. I have no experience with
>>ATI drivers, but have been researching the issue as I'm contemplating a
>>laptop with the Rage Pro chipset (other chipsets such as NeoMagic are
>>even worse from an OS2/Linux perspective). I've seen some reports that
>>the GRADD drivers work, although slowly.
>
>Working my way backwards in this thread - I saw a site (Lindsay Computer
>Systems) which preloads Linux. They use the ATI Rage so that's
>encouraging.
I'm familiar with LCS (have ordered product from Rick) as they tend to
carry high quality components and are very OS2 and Linux aware, but I cannot
find any references to preloading Linux and/or use of the ATI Rage. They do
list sample configurations from time to time so perhaps they listed an Asus
laptop with Linux, but I can't find any such configuration on their web site
right now.
>
>F.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
> Felmon John Davis
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Union College / Schenectady, NY
> - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
> OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to read Chinese in Netscape Communicator 4.6?
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:54:09 GMT
If you are using linux(redhat), then gb is supported by netscape, just go ahead
and choose view->character set->simplified Chinese, and you should be fine,
however the fonts are ugly. You may want to add your own Chinese fonts(gb
and big5) to your font path, first go to ifcss.org and grab their fonts and
install them in your system say ~/xfonts, and then use xset command to add
it to your default font path(man xset for details), and then restart netscape.
Besides, this methods also works for UNIX workstations.
Or, you can just install cxterm and run netscape within it.
In comp.os.linux.misc Rory Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hello!
:
: Would anyone provide any ways that can read Chinese webpages in Netscape
: Communicator 4.6?
:
:
: Best Regards,
:
: Rory Chan.
: ------------------ Posted via CNET Linux Help ------------------
: http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,alt.comp.hardware,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: XGA w/ OS/2 and Linux on laptop
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:59:05 -0400
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/07/99
at 11:48 AM, Csaba Raduly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>My computer at work has a 3D Rage IIc video card. The drivers on the CD
>were passable, but I couldn't get more than 60 Hz vertical refresh,
>which is awful. I finally got some newer drivers which are capable of 80+
>Hz. GRADD may be even better.
>The SciTech drivers produced all kinds of wonderful
>resolution/refresh combinations (up to 100 Hz :-)
>Your card has a similar name, which means that there may be
>absolutely nothing in common between them :-) . YMMV.
>From what I've heard ATI are definitely Linux-unfriendly.
>Not only they don't make drivers, they won't let others do it :-( Csaba
At least one reseller preloads Linux on systems with this card (Lindsay
Computers) so it's definitely possible and I assume a stable setup.
Your news about OS/2 sounds encouraging - I hope I interpret you
correctly?
F.
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Felmon John Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Union College / Schenectady, NY
- insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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From: Reinier Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 7 Sep 1999 16:25:18 +0200
As a trn user looking for features I may be missing, I have to respond.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lizard) wrote:
>It's not. But here's what I can do with a Windows/Mac newsreader I can't
>(or don't know how, I shall be honest) do with tin/trn/slrn/etc:
>
>a)Have multiple groups open concurrently.
True, trn doesn't allow this. One of the reasons I use trn is that it
doesn't take up much room. Reading several articles at a time won't
help.
>b)Have multi-part binaries auto-assembled into single line items;queue
>several for DL+uudecode;have that process running in the background while I
>read/post.
True, the 'e' command in trn doesn't run the decoding in the background,
but it isn't all that slow.
>c)Archive messages to folders.
Type 's foldername' to append the message to 'foldername'.
What more do you want?
>d)Have multiple sigs, user ids, etc, on a group-by-group basis.
This is possible in trn, using cryptic values for certain env vars.
>e)Have windows for different newsserves (I use 3 on a regular basis) open
>concurrently, with newsgroups from each displayed.
This is a feature I'd really like to see in trn.
>f)Cut&paste from my newsreader into my mailer trivially (or any other app,
>for that matter)
Yes, this is another problem with trn: cutting text from it works normally,
but pasting into the trn xterm doesn't. Which is quite an accomplishment
for a text-only app.
>I am doing all this with XNews, a freeware newsreader that is barely a
>megabyte is size...hardly a 'bloated monster' in this day and age.
These is an implicit assumption that you want a GUI newsreader. Why?
What specific advantages does it have?
>Here is my typical 'news day':
>Open up XNews. Shift-F5 to update all groups. As soon as the first group is
>done, I open it and begin reading while the rest update in the background.
Another problem with trn. Updating isn't a problem, but processing the
killfile takes ages.
>At some point, I will stop reading this group (though with the window left
>open) to check out a binaries group. Oh goody, a hundred new pictures from
>some anime series. Click to queue them all (note that messages with missing
>parts are conveniently hidden), and then start decoding. They are all saved
>to my anime directory, of course.
Select the articles - you won't see the pictures - and type 'e anime'.
>Meanwhile, back to reading. Hm. I need to
>repeat a point I made last week. Open my sent messages folder, cut&paste
>a paragraph into my reply, send.
trn starts your editor of preference on articles and it saves them in
mailbox format, so I'd start my mailer on the sent messages folder instead,
and copy/paste between the editor and mailer sessions.
>Hey, this looks like a good URL. Double-
>click, launch Netscape.
I have to cut and paste the URL. This would be a nice desktop feature.
>Interesting. This looks like it might be of
>interest to someone in rec.games.frp.misc. Copy it from netscape, open
>rgfm, post new message, paste, send. Etc.
OK, so switching between multiple newsgroups is very convenient.
Good to know.
>Go on. Tell me I can do that in tin, with the same ease, speed, and LACK of
>having to remember a string of alphabet soup commands. Hell, tell me I can
All you need is around 10 single key commands. Type 'h' to see the
list. Personally, I'm not too keen on using a mouse; it's easier on my
hands and arms if I don't have to move them around and point at things
on the screen all the time.
>view two groups at once, or start a download operation in one group while
>I'm reading another.
Two groups at once is impossible. Batch downloading is difficult.
(Not impossible, though; an arbitrary command can do the downloading,
so you can write a script that places itself into the background.)
>I've been on Usenet since 1993 (not impressive by some standards, but I'm
>harldy a newbie). I've used tin+vi. It was nice. But it doesn't compare to
>a sophisticated GUI newsreader.
>
>There's no reason this coudln't exist under Linux. The question is why it
>doesn't.
>(I should note my very-short-term memory is not very good. Having to flip
>between screens constantly is not easy for me...having text displayed in
>mutliple concurrent windows is VERY helpful. This has nothing to do with
>'eye candy' -- text windows would be fine.)
I agree with you, but while reading news I tend to flip between that
and other tasks, so I prefer not to 'full-screen' my news app (or any
other, for that matter). It may be useful occasionally to have several
articles open in the same thread, for comparison. But the Netscape
newsreader wastes space, as far as I'm concerned. (I dislike the
Netscape app for other reasons but they are unrelated to news reading.)
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Reinier Post [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Matt Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Peaceful Coexistence
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:32:47 -0400
On Mon, 06 Sep 1999, Jill wrote:
>I have an HP Pavilion PII at 400Mhz. I have W98 installed on it. I
>want to run linux, but I'd prefer to purchase a separate hard disk since I
>have critical stuff on the original disk, and being a newbie.....
> After installing a 2nd disk, can I load linux exclusively on the 2nd
>disk leaving the original untouched? How would I boot? Would it be
>possible to run Windows, and then start a linux session in a Window? I have
>RH 5.2 now. Is there a compelling reason to upgrade to 6?
> Thanks for your help.
>
>Jill Cohen.
I should work fine -- it does for me. You should make a point of making the
second drive the secondary master [hdc in Linux]. For some reason that I can't
fathom, there are some boot managers out there that have problems booting from
a slave. But I'm an end user, not a techie, so there's a lot I don't fathom.
As for managing a dual boot, most of the commercial distributions come with
boot manager software, and I'm told that lilo itself can be used to manage a
dual-boot [bnever done it, so I don't know]. If you're new to Linux and dula
boots, however, my advice would be to buy a commercial distribution like Red
Hat or Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 [I use the latter on my production machine] and
use the boot managers that they come with.
MF
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From: Jeb Bolding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cd-rw through parallel
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:43:42 GMT
Anyone have any successful experiences burning CDs through the parallel
port?
I'm running out of the box RH 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5-15) I did not monkey
with recompiling the kernel, so I'm not sure about support for burning
CDs.
What kind of cd writers would anyone suggest (that are parallel of
course).
jeb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,alt.comp.hardware,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: XGA w/ OS/2 and Linux on laptop
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:33:29 -0400
In <7r3ds1$ron$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/07/99
at 04:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Stein) said:
>>
>>Working my way backwards in this thread - I saw a site (Lindsay Computer
>>Systems) which preloads Linux. They use the ATI Rage so that's
>>encouraging.
>I'm familiar with LCS (have ordered product from Rick) as they tend to
>carry high quality components and are very OS2 and Linux aware, but I
>cannot find any references to preloading Linux and/or use of the ATI
>Rage. They do list sample configurations from time to time so perhaps
>they listed an Asus laptop with Linux, but I can't find any such
>configuration on their web site right now.
Sorry, it was J.P. & Associates at
<http://www.jpassociates.com/toshwlin.html>.
F.
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Felmon John Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Union College / Schenectady, NY
- insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Falu)
Subject: Re: You think I shouln invest in Red Hat?
Date: 7 Sep 1999 14:32:01 GMT
You must be a computer geek!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>On 4 Sep 1999 18:26:10 GMT,
>Ian Falu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I need an opinion from the technical side!!!
>
>Don't you have a student loan to contribute to?
>
>--
>William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
>Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
> ~ ()>()
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From: "Inge Vabekk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:45:51 GMT
Paul E. Bell wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Inge Vabekk wrote:
>
>And, I wonder how many Wintel users know of this? Why should I have to
>use the shift key to add one line to my file menu (I tried it, and
>thanks)? It should be there normally, just in case I want to open a
>file with an editor that normally opens with it's own program. I
>shouldn't need to press shift.
I agree with you completely. It's very clumsy, but it's still there, and you
assumed it wasn't because you hadn't found it! (+:
>Or even the linked lists of sectors used in the normal Amiga file system
>(I could loose the bitmap, Amiga's equivalent of DOS/Windows' FAT
>tables, and still recover all my files intact, even if the disk is
>fragmented. I don't know if newer file systems like PFS have that
>protection built in.) [<digression of my own> I once had to rebuild the
>FAT tables on a computer I had by hand because a subdirectory I
>discovered I needed had all it's FAT table entries zeroed when I used a
>certain DOS menuing program to delete it's parent directory, thinking it
>was empty. Of 24 files, 19 were contiguous, all were .zip files, thus
>the remaining 5 were unrecoverable, since there was no way to determine
>what was in the next sector of the file at the end of the contiguous
>area. </digression of my own>]
Wow! In fact I don't know that much about file system structure, but I do
know that during the first 18 years as a software specialist I *NEVER*
experienced a file system breakdown except when there was a physical disk
failure (Not often; HP equipment was and is solid). After a short while
using MS-DOS (only seldom used Windows those days) I had 2 weeks work blown
away because of the fragile FAT file system. Trying to repair, with my
little knowledge of such things, and the lousy PC-tools, only made things
worse. Fortunately I was able to rewrite everything, but I had learnt the
lesson, and even though I've had several crashes since then, I've never
again lost significant data (after 10 years with MS-DOS and related systems,
plus QNX 2-4).
>Perhaps, but for some people I know, it would be a hopeless endeavor.
>Some people don't know enough to make sure the thing is plugged in
>before they attempt to turn it on, or turned off and unplugged before
>they tinker with the innards. Also, I find that, though it is
>interesting to buy used cards to put in my computer and look for setup
>information on the internet, not everyone has the time or patience to do
>so, or decifer the cryptic answers one sometimes finds. Hey, let's face
>it, some people have trouble building a block house out of Legos(TM).
I'm afraid you're very right. It's really kind of depressing.....(+:
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~~~ Algorhythmics ~~~
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From: "G. Philippe Menos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Can't Toggle local echo in Linux telnet client
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:57:14 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I working on migrating a bunch of expect scripts from an old SunOS
system to a new Linux machine. The scripts automate access (logon,
etc.) to several databases via telnet and tn3270. The only one I'm
having trouble with is the connection to Lexis-Nexis.
Problem is: the Linux telnet client does not seem to toggle local echo
on.
If you telnet (from Linux system) to lexis.meaddata.com or
nex.lexis-nexis.com, you will see:
>>>Trying 39991420010001...Open
>>>
>>>Please transmit your terminal TYPE abbreviation.
>>>(Abbreviations begin with a PERIOD -- Call Customer Service for
assistance)
At that point, I need to turn local echo on (as required by the telnetd
on the other side) and then type ".vt100" for a vt100 terminal type....
(after which I would log in, etc.)
However, typing "control E" (the character to toggle local echo) does
nothing (makes no change in local echo).
Thanks for any thoughts.....
Philippe
--
G. Philippe Menos
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 609-258-5183
Systems Administrator, Princeton University Library
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Bogus BogoMIPS & System Instability???
Date: 7 Sep 1999 17:56:20 GMT
On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 17:50:26 -0500,
Eric George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't run X on this box and rarely use it interactively. Anyway, onto
> the BogoMIPS...
> While looking for clues in the log files in /var/log I found the
> following line:
>
> messages.2:Sep 2 21:45:54 moe kernel: Calibrating delay loop.. ok -
> 466.94 BogoMIPS
>
> Now, my understanding of BogoMIPS is that it is a rough estimate of the
> CPU speed for the purpose of system timing, and that it should be
> roughly equal to your CPU clock speed (my PPro 200 gives 199.07). So,
> why is this parameter coming out at twice my 233 MHz clock speed. I am
> not overclocking, at least not intentionally. When the system boots the
> bios detects the CPU as a 233 pentium.
> Ideas? Is this a clue to my instability problem?
Not really. BogoMIPS are bogus. The speed of the cache is going to
change them, as will the design of the CPU (my K6's get much higher
bogomips/Mhz, but are a lot slower at rc5des than the PII's for a
given MHz).
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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