Linux-Misc Digest #182, Volume #27 Wed, 21 Feb 01 00:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: runlevel 5 vs runlevel 3 + startx ("japhilp")
Re: RPM segfault, I'm stuck ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Acrobat and Netscape6 (The Real Bev)
Compile problems (Eric Ho)
Re: insmod (Mike Wilson)
XMPS icon anywhere? (Guy Parry)
Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS? (Jean-David Beyer)
USR CP5610A Modem in RH 7.0 ("Edward Stammer")
Re: Help: apache access denied...problems (moonie;))
IDE controller ("PCHservices")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS? (Tyler Larson)
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From: "japhilp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: runlevel 5 vs runlevel 3 + startx
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:12:08 GMT
Advantages :
1) you are saved the keystrokes.
2) you get a graphical screen , instead of a text screen
3) The user can select the desktop of choice with a dropdown listbox. I
think with startx, one has to put some files into one's home directory, and
edit them to achieve the same.
The disadvantage is that if there's something wrong with X, you're rather
inconvenienced. If you use startx, then one is dropped back to the cli
terminal when x finishes/fails . Appropriate steps can be easily taken and
startx reissued.
For more , you'll have to wait for the more knowledgable to respond.
hth.
"Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:wvEk6.8518$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm beginning to second guess myself.
>
> Is there any advantage to starting a 'workstation' in runlevel 5 vs
runlevel
> 3 with some users having exec startx as the last statement in their
> profiles? I use the latter approach with the account I set up for my
oldest
> kid on my home computer. I don't always use X myself, and there are times
I
> prefer it not to be in memory (when I'm using some non-X numeric software
> with big datasets). Is exec'ing startx from the user profile an unsound
> approach?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RPM segfault, I'm stuck
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:47:43 +0000
Drew Roedersheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but didn't Peter mean his RPM database when he
> said "I can rebuild the database, but it doesn't solve the problem."??
Ooops... Missed that one.
:)
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| Computer Science | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.|
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From: The Real Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Acrobat and Netscape6
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:28:09 -0800
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>
> The Real Bev wrote:
> >
> > E J wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't MIME me :)
> > > Edit->Preferences->Navigator->Helper Application->
> > > Extension: PDF
> > > MIME Type: application/pdf
> > > Application: /usr/local/bin/acroread
> > >
> > > 1/5 of Real Player still does not work. All Real Player mime
> > > extensions work except for the plug-in itself.
> > > Plugger does not work.
> > > Flash 4 works but Flash 5 does not work under either Netscape 4.76 or
> > > 6.0 under KDE but works on Gnome.
> > >
> > > Mike Goldsbury wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jay & Michelle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mike Goldsbury wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jay & Michelle wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Goldsbury wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Got Real Player working in Netscape6.01 now has any one
> > > > > > > > gotten Acrobat to work as a plugin or helper app. If so how?
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > Mike Goldsbury
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Get the Acrobat plugin and install it into the Netscape plugin
> > > > > > > directory?
> >
> > You'd think so, wouldn't you. Wanna hear something sick?
> >
> > When I installed Acrobat as a plugin for NS4.75 it hijacked all my other
> > plugins by registering /usr/local/Acrobat4/Browsers/intellinux/ as
> > Netscape's defined plugin directory. After screwing around for a LONG
> > time trying to get things to work I threw in the towel and copied all the
> > plugins to that subdirectory. Acroread is still a piece of shit, of
> > course, but it reads more .pdf files than xpdf.
>
> Sure, but I cannot print many .pdf files with acroread that I can
> print from xpdf. So there must be bugs in acroread that are absent
> in xpdf. acroread can display them just fine on my monitor, though.
> So they must both have bugs, but different ones. Grrrr. (I have
> acroread 4.05 at the moment, but 4.0 had the same problem.)
I refuse to print a 100-page manual just so I can look up ONE lousy piece
of information. One of the most annoying things -- with both xpdf and
acroread -- is the text-obliterating color patterns that appear on pages
with graphics. They go away if you change the magnification but quickly
reappear so you have to change the magnification constantly. It's
especially annoying because more and more people are giving you manuals in
pdf format, and it takes forever to extract useful information from them if
there are significant graphics which OF COURSE there are because text is
becoming obsolete. And don't get me started about documents without
indexes or useful TOCs...
Thank you, I feel much better now.
--
Cheers,
Bev
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
He's your god. They're your rules. *You* burn in hell!
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From: Eric Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compile problems
Date: 21 Feb 2001 03:37:58 GMT
Hi,
I have just installed Slackware 7.1 (actually Slackware-current),
and also upgraded the kernel to 2.4.1.
Everything is ok, except my Sound Blaster 16 doesn't work anymore,
and all of my K programs don't compile anymore. For example,
when try to compile my favorite ICQ program (KICQ), it gives the
following errors :
bash-2.04# make
make all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kicq-0.3.0'
Making all in kicq
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kicq-0.3.0/kicq'
Making all in pics
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kicq-0.3.0/kicq/pics'
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kicq-0.3.0/kicq/pics'
c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include -I/opt/kde/include
-I/usr/lib/qt/include -O2 -Wall -c main.cpp
In file included from main.cpp:8:
mainwindow.h:8: ktopwidget.h: No such file or directory
In file included from preferences.h:12,
from mainwindow.h:21,
from main.cpp:8:
prefuser.h:8: kintegerline.h: No such file or directory
In file included from preferences.h:13,
from mainwindow.h:21,
from main.cpp:8:
prefserver.h:8: kintegerline.h: No such file or directory
In file included from preferences.h:16,
from mainwindow.h:21,
from main.cpp:8:
prefproxy.h:8: kintegerline.h: No such file or directory
In file included from mainwindow.h:22,
from main.cpp:8:
findwindow.h:9: ktablistbox.h: No such file or directory
In file included from findwindow.h:16,
from mainwindow.h:22,
from main.cpp:8:
uinwidget.h:9: kintegerline.h: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [main.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kicq-0.3.0/kicq'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kicq-0.3.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
bash-2.04#
Can someone tell me what I did wrong or what I can do to fix the
problem ?
Best Regards,
Eric Ho
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From: Mike Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: insmod
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:37:48 +0800
Hi All,
firstly thanks for your help, this has been a very frustrating exercise.
The Code I am using is quite old....I have had to go back to Red Hat 6.0.
There where a lot of bugs, I had to configure the kernel ect ect.
When I use
/usr/depmod -a mobitex.o
I get
can't open /lib/modules/mobitex/modules.dep
and
/sbin/modprobe /home/mobitex/mobitex.o
I get
mobitex.o: unresolved sysmbol(s)
mobitex.o:
When I use
/sbin/insmod mobitex.o
but I get this error
mobitex.o: unresolved symbol waitqueue_lock
Can anyone help...im kind of new to this area...I think it may boil down to not be
able to find a
module with waitqueue_lock in it....I have my suspecions that this is referenced in
../linux/sched.h
Once agian any help is very very appreciated..once I can get this going I should be
able to add a radio modem
to linux and start testing.
All The Best
Mike Wilson
Raj Rijhwani wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Mike Wilson" writes:
>
> > I am having problems installing a module, I use
> > /sbin/insmod mobitex.o
>
> 1) Have you compiled any modules that it may be dependent on?
>
> 2) Did you "depmod -a" after compiling the module?
>
> If yes to both of the above, try using "modprobe" instead of insmod.
> --
> Raj Rijhwani (umtsb5/16) | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
> http://www.rijhwani.org/raj/ | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"
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From: Guy Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: XMPS icon anywhere?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:49:35 +1100
I just installed xmps, but can't see an icon anywhere: xmps.png or
xmps.xpm or anything obvious. Anyone know where one is? Or made one?
Having to start it from an xterm window every time seems stupid...
tia.
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:51:50 -0500
Juergen Heinzl wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
> >Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> >> I checked the MD5 checksum of the rpm, hoping I got a bad download.
> >> I forgot to check before. Unfortunately, the checksum was correct.
> >> So I rebooted and it went in just fine. It is things like that that
> >> seem to keep me from ever getting a good uptime.
> >
> >> I still want to achieve Noah's record of 40 days and nights. Of
> >> course, if I ever get that, I will want more.
> >
> >hmmm ... I just rebooted arpa .. it was up for 70 days ...
> [-]
> Used to have machines running from powerfailure to powerfailure
> I'd be glad if some kind soul out there could enlighten me regarding
> what is so impressive about a 70 days uptime ... the stamina to resist
> obligatory kernel updates without being tight fast out of reach
> of any keyboard aside, that is.
>
I agree that 70 days uptime is no big deal for a Unix type operating
system these days. In 1990 I ran a DELL machine with a 486 in it (I
think it was) 24/7 for four years and the only times we rebooted it
were for hardware changes. Those were mostly in early 1990, and it
ran for years at a time after that. I think the next reboot was in
late 1993 when we tripled the memory size to reduce thrashing (it
worked).
I have resisted upgrading my kernel from 2.2.14-VA.2.1smp to
2.2.14-VA.5.1smp, though I was running the latter for a while before
I did the complete reinstall.
I need a power failure in excess of 25 minutes to bring this machine
down because I bought too big a UPS for this machine. It actually
claims to have 41 minutes capacity with the monitor on, and the
monitor uses a little over 50% of the total power consumed by the
system (my other machine has its own UPS, but it is not oversize,
and has 5 to 10 minutes capacity).
My problems are crashes and lockups. I was running Red Hat 6.0 and
it was pretty good for a while (I got about 38 days once), but
progressively deteriorating after about 11 months from new. I was
wondering if I was having hardware problems, software dementia, or
having been cracked. I got memtest86 and ran that for a bit over 2
hours and it revealed no memory errors. I saw no evidence of
cracking (but that just means that if I was cracked, he knew what he
was doing), but I wiped the hard drives and installed VA Linux's
version of Red Hat 6.2 (they advised against R.H.L.7.0).
The problems disappeared. Until I went to put in
vixie-cron-3.0.1-40.1.i386.rpm this afternoon after being up a bit
over 23 days. This did not exactly crash the system, but it crashed
rpm forevermore. And it is only a tiny 31Kbyte file. I had to reboot
to fix a kernel lock. It is this kind of thing that kills me. Seldom
repeatable (though just before the re-install, making or breaking a
dialup ISP connection (ppp) would crash the system about 5% of the
time, which I find intolerable. It was starting to feel like running
a proprietary binary-only operating-system.
But if it is a hardware problem, it is sure elusive. Symptoms move
from device to device; apparant cause moves changes.
Is there a complete reliable hardware test suite? I ran memtest86
and it seems to be a very thorough test and found no errors, even
after reducing the memory refresh rate by, IIRC, 5:1. I also ran
someone else's memory test that looked more like a SCSI Hard Drive
test. It tried to increase the load on the memory by running memory
tests at the same time as running disk IO (actually, input only) as
fast as it could, which was pretty fast. I do not really think it
was much of a memory tester, but it did get the hard drives all hot
and bothered. But it detected no errors either.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 10:30pm up 6:04, 3 users, load average: 2.12, 2.10, 1.98
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From: "Edward Stammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: USR CP5610A Modem in RH 7.0
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:23:33 GMT
I have RH 7.0 installed, but to my dismay, the modem I ordered for using
with Linux supposedly only works in Kernel 2.3 or higher. I would love to
update my RH 7.0, kernel 2.2.16, to kernel 2.4, but without a modem, it is
kind of hard.
If anyone has this modem working in Linux kernel 2.2.16 or less, please, let
me know how you did it.
Ed
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From: moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help: apache access denied...problems
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:34:59 -0500
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Oliver Wiegand wrote:
>"David. E. Goble" wrote:
>>
>> Hi all;
>>
>> I need help. Iam running redhat 6.2. For some reason my www server
>> (apache) will not let me have access rights.
>>
>> Oh and I have just installed netatalk-1_4b2+asun2_1_4-0_i386.rpm.
>>
>> here are some of the config files...;
>> [ snip ]
>
>Has the user under which apache runs,access to /home/httpd/html ?
>
>Oli
I noticed in his config file that he is using document root: /etc/httpd.
This may be his problem.
--
moonie ;)
Registered Linux User #175104
(Registered at: http://counter.li.org)
KDE2
Kernel 2.4.0-test5
XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers
RAID 0 Striped
Test-Pilots-R-Us ;)
ICQ #83003404
AIM mooniesdl3
MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "PCHservices" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IDE controller
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:43:22 GMT
Hello, I wanted to intall a majic ATA66 PCI controller card for my new
hard drive and was wondering if anyone had had any issues that I may need
to be aware of. I am going to run a maxtor 30g IDE hd with the controller
on a suse 7.0 box. I checked the suse hardware database and can't find
any info on this particular device. Any input would be appreciated. Thank
you. peter
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:47:54 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:36:37 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >"NEED" has nothing to do with it.
> >
> >Do you ***NEED*** your connection to USENET?
> >do you ***NEED*** your TV?
>
> No and no. I agree that if we speak of "need", we must use a fairly
> narrow definition.
Precisely. Therefore, any argument about taxation levels based upon
how much a person "needs" to have left (after taxes) is totally bogus.
When Lenin said, "FROM each according to his abilities, TO each according
to his needs"...he wasn't kidding. There is a SUBSTANTIAL difference
between what you need (not a whole hell of a lot), and what you are
able to produce (usually 4x or more than what you "need")...even if
you're a dumb-ass subsistance farmer.
>
> >If you're going to base government confiscation policies based on
> >"need", then you end up with an impoverished population like Russia.
>
> That's an obvious strawman. Most civilised countries have taxes, including
> income taxes, including those that have not ended up "impoverished".
See above.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:58:52 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:29:34 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> >Really? Then why do the majority of the "super rich" in America donate
> >only to the Demoncrook party?
>
> Probably because they have so much money that it doesn't matter as much
> to them.
Wrong...Because the Demoncrook party has ALWAYS been in the business of
protecting the financial interests of the socio-economic elite in this
country.
Or do you think all of the "Jim Crow" laws in the south was the Democrats'
way of showing concern for those unfortunate enough to have been born black?
> I'd imagine someone with that much money would be more interested
> in power.
Very good. And in this country...$$$$$ = Power.
>
> Based on Bush's plan to abolish the inheritence tax and cut taxes in the
> higher brackets, I don't see how they'd gain financially from having
> democrats in power.
Simple...if you're really rich..it benefits your efforts to keep--and acquire
MORE--power, if special exceptions are written in to the tax law...just for you.
Remember all of the "tax loopholes" that everybody complained about?
Exactly *WHO* put them there? Remember...The Demoncrooks controlled the
House of Representatives CONTINOUSLY from 1944 to 1980, and the Senate for
all but 4 years between 1944 and 1980.
Are you going to buy into the argument that in the 2 seperate 2-year stints
when the Republicans had a Senate majority, that they managed to ram ALL of
these tax loopholes through the DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES?
The Democrats are masters at perpetrating frauds upon the working classes,
and then turning around and pointing fingers at the Republicans.
Do some research, and stop allowing yourself to be played for a fool.
And once again, I not merely a libertarian, I am a *REGISTERED* Libertarian,
which means that I can't even vote in a Republican primary.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Tyler Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS?
Date: 21 Feb 2001 04:47:22 GMT
>>So how to I get it off without rebooting?
> [-]
> You can't .. end of story,
> Juergen
It's kinda off topic, but as far as killing resistant processes:
I heard that sometimes (particularly when a process hangs waiting on
a network request), sending an INT (2) or QUIT (3) signal will often
work even when the KILL signal fails.
Anyone have any comments on that? Does it really work? Are there any
other little known tricks to killing unwanted processes?
--
Tyler Larson | http://www.tlarson.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A mind is a wonderful thing to waste.
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