Linux-Misc Digest #200, Volume #27 Fri, 23 Feb 01 00:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux ftp install (Someone Special)
Re: Size of LINUX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: where is dict? (E J)
Seperate firewall machine delema (Warren Bell)
Re: Best distro for old PC? (Stanislaw Flatto)
Netware for linux, where to download client ? (Wong Sai-kee)
Re: RPM segfault, I'm stuck (Peter Eddy)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Donovan Rebbechi)
No rule to make target for compressed/image (Andrew Purugganan)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:09:27 -0500
Mark Bratcher wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:39:51 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >[deletia]
> >>> conviction. It's a formal game at bottom - like winning at Gin Rummy.
> >>
> >>Well, I can respect that.
> >>
> >>It's how I look at the results of my 5 senses. I don't have an absolute
> >>belief in anything I see or hear, but I've found that if I pay attention
> >>it helps "win the game".
> >>
> >>However, maybe I'm strange. I feel that some studies like perhaps ethics
> >>are somehow grounded in a "absolute" truth. Maybe because I fear the
> >>alternative.
> >
> > Ethics is not infact based on "absolute" truth but acknowledging
> > what your standards and objectives are. It is "absolute" truth
> > that is scary for it is typically adhered to without any thought.
> >
>
> "Relative" truth, OTOH, isn't scarey at all. Just ask Charles Mason. :-)
Manson.
Of course, Sharon Tate and her party guests would disagree.
>
> --
> Mark Bratcher
> To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:16:46 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:11:49 GMT, Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:39:51 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>[deletia]
> >>>> conviction. It's a formal game at bottom - like winning at Gin Rummy.
> >>>
> >>>Well, I can respect that.
> >>>
> >>>It's how I look at the results of my 5 senses. I don't have an absolute
> >>>belief in anything I see or hear, but I've found that if I pay attention
> >>>it helps "win the game".
> >>>
> >>>However, maybe I'm strange. I feel that some studies like perhaps ethics
> >>>are somehow grounded in a "absolute" truth. Maybe because I fear the
> >>>alternative.
> >>
> >> Ethics is not infact based on "absolute" truth but acknowledging
> >> what your standards and objectives are. It is "absolute" truth
> >> that is scary for it is typically adhered to without any thought.
> >>
> >
> >"Relative" truth, OTOH, isn't scarey at all. Just ask Charles Mason. :-)
>
> If you insist on following that tactic,
> there are far scarier names to dredge up.
You mean like, Godwin?
>
> --
>
> Regarding Copyleft:
>
> There are more of "US" than there are of "YOU", so I don't
> really give a damn if you're mad that the L/GPL makes it
> harder for you to be a robber baron.
>
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:26:49 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:42:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:14:47 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >>
> >> >Really?
> >> >
> >> >1. So, what you're saying, is that, after you die, you intend to pass
> >> >on absolutely NOTHING of value to your children and/or grandchildren?
> >>
> >> I doubt I'm likely to have anything over the threshold for the inheritance
> >> tax in the US.
> >
> >I see. So, basically, you have some arbitrary figure in mind as to how
> >much is "too much".
>
> Obviously, the figure would have to be viewed in context of other taxes.
> I'd suggest a rate comparable to the top marginal rate (I believe the
> existing inheritance rate is higher) and put the threshold fairly high
> (as it already is).
So much sophistry, so little answering of the question.
>
> >Or are you an "I don't care about injustice as long as it doesn't
> >effect me" hypocrite.
>
> Those poor fund babies -- how my heart bleeds for them.
Tell that to a family which has 90% of the family wealth tied
up in a small business.
The inheritance tax FORCES them to sell of the business which
they built....
And *WHO* benefits from such situations? Usually the very
same aristocracy who you *think* death taxes are supposed to hurt.
>
> >> But suppose I was taxed at 100%. That would not stop me
> >> working while I was alive, no. I'm not saying they should tax at that
> >> rate though.
> >
> >You would willingly get up and go to work each day under a
> >100% income tax law?
>
> I was referring to inheritance. I'd still work if my inheritance ws
> taxed at 100%.
What incentive does the average person have to save?
If anything, it's an incentive to blow everything, and become a
ward of the state.
>
> I don't advocate a 100% marginal rate for income taxes.
>
> [ snip ]
>
> If you really think I'm advocating that, I can see why you are expressing
> disagreement ...
Everything you have written on the subject is in support of
taxing the productive for the benefit of those who refuse to
be productive.
Fuck that.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Someone Special <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux ftp install
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:31:00 GMT
An ISO image is just that, an image. If we want to take the
contents of a CD and make the contents available easily to anyone, it
wouldn't do to have complex directory structures, especially with
hidden file names and the like, so instead, we take a picture of the
disk's contents and state: this is how this CD should look. The result
is an ISO image.
To use an ISO image, you have to have software that has an
option like: Write Image File to Disc (Nero Burning ROM).
Nero is a little tricky with burning ISOs, though I love the
program dearly. You probably got a copy of Adaptec Easy CD Creator
with your CD-Burner, that would probably be the easiest, as it has ISO
image support built in and easily available. Take a gander through
your burning software's help files for burning image files. You can't
just drag and drop the file to a CD, that much is a fact. THere will
be a process. THe key word though is image;)
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:30:06 -0000, jayslattery
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I recently decided to give Linux a shot. I downloaded both ISO files from
>a linux ftp site and burnt them onto two cdr's. are the files still
>supposed to be iso's when they are burnt or are they suppose to have files
>on the disc. I simply have one file, the iso, that takes up about 645 MB
>on each disc. I tried booting from the first disc but the system does not
>recognize the disc. i can boot when i put my Win 98 cd in the drive, so
>the computer is recognizing the drive at startup. i then downloaded the
>boot image. however, it is too big to fit on a floppy, so i have the same
>problem now. i burnt the boot image to a disc but that also is not being
>recognized. does anybody know what i'm doing wrong? any help would be
>GREATLY appreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:47:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dirk Groeneveld wrote:
> >Mark Bratcher wrote:
> >> So what have we gained in all this? I think it's a compromise. I think
> >> we now see app and OS changes more rapidly (with the possible exception
> >> of MicroSoft stuff hehe), but also code is written a lot less efficiently.
> >
> >Watch your words. I think that code is written a lot more efficiently than
> >in the old days.
> >But the written code is a lot less efficient.
> Perhaps we're defining "efficient" differently. In the "old days"
> you had almost no choice but to write fast, small code or it just
> wouldn't fit or run.
It would not be an outrageous use of "efficient" to use the meanings:
"The amount of memory that costs $X dollars"
or
"Perhaps 15% of the memory on my computer"
Back when I was 16, and had an Atari 400, 32K represented a "lot of
memory" since that was all the RAM I had, and that 32K cost me several
weeks worth of pay from my newspaper route.
Today, I might have to do a morning's worth of work to pay for 256MB
of memory. It is likely more efficient of my resources to create
software that consumes literally thousands of times as much memory as
I could afford back when I was 16.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@acm.org")
http://vip.hex.net/~cbbrowne/xwindows.html
Rules of the Evil Overlord #155. "If I know of any heroes in the land,
I will not under any circumstance kill their mentors, teachers, and/or
best friends." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where is dict?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:34:55 GMT
What a dict!!! :) It lives in /usr/share/dict
can't locate your dict? :)
$ locate dict
"Sudhakar R." wrote:
> i have a RH 7.0 box. could you please tell me where is the dictionary file
> located. i cudn't find it under /usr/dict/ !
> thanx
> -sud
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From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Seperate firewall machine delema
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:07:18 -0800
I have Mandrake 7.2 as my main machine connected to the net running
HTTP, FTP and mail. Then I have my windows machine networked to it and
using it's connection to the internet through ipchains. What I want to
do is add a third machine running Linux just as the firewall machine.
This will be the main machine with the net connection but not running
any services. Then I want my current machine running all the services
behind the firewall. How can I pass all requests for HTTP, FTP and mail
through the firewall machine to the internal one? Can I do this with
ipchains? I've heard this is the best way to set up a firewall but
can't figure out what to use for this.
Any help is appreciated.
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best distro for old PC?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:24:08 +1100
Matt O'Toole wrote:
> Great! So you have a working familiarity with Slackware already. It should
> be easy for you then.
>
> Matt O.
Since '96. I did not originate this thread.
Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla.
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From: Wong Sai-kee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netware for linux, where to download client ?
Date: 23 Feb 2001 04:07:30 GMT
I installed the Netware for linux together with the Caldera OpenLinux
Lite 1.2 . It seems working but I cannot figure out 2 things. One
is there is no man pages for the commands.
Second is, according to the documentation, if I need to add user, I
need the NETADMIN running on DOS 3.3 or Netware Adminstrator. I looked
for the clients on the CD, and tried to install but it failed. So,
where can I download such client software ? I tried the www.caldera.com
site, which only has the same content as the CD for download.
Thanks in advance.
SK
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From: Peter Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM segfault, I'm stuck
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:23:39 -0500
Bill Unruh wrote:
>
> glibc is critical for system operation. If you crash mid way through you
> are highly likely to leave libc in an incomplete state, at which nothing
> which requires dynamic loading will work. I had this happen to me when
> the root directory had gotten filled. The best way is probably just to
> reinstall, or at least to upgrade.
Thanks for responding. Things aren't quite that bad that I can't do
anything, I just can't get RPM to update glibc. I ended up installing a
new glibc by telling rpm to create then use an rpm database in a
different directory. The problem is, it still thinks there's an older
glibc installed when it uses the standard rpm database, and I still get
that seg fault when I try to, "rpm -Uvh --force" install the new glibc.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 23 Feb 2001 04:43:29 GMT
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:26:49 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Those poor fund babies -- how my heart bleeds for them.
>
>Tell that to a family which has 90% of the family wealth tied
>up in a small business.
You make it sound like grocery stores are getting hurt by the tax.
The threshold is very high, you have to be a millionaire for the
tax to have *any* effect.
>> I was referring to inheritance. I'd still work if my inheritance ws
>> taxed at 100%.
>
>What incentive does the average person have to save?
>If anything, it's an incentive to blow everything, and become a
>ward of the state.
Not unless becoming a ward of the state leads to a comfortable lifestyle.
I'd save to avoid becoming a ward of the state.
>Everything you have written on the subject is in support of
>taxing the productive for the benefit of those who refuse to
>be productive.
Taxing the productive to create an education system that works
for "productive" children is worthwhile IMO.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: No rule to make target for compressed/image
Date: 23 Feb 2001 04:38:34 GMT
Am trying to recompile Mandrake 6.0 so that my kernel 2.2.13-22mdk inches
up to 2.2.14 & 2.2.15, the old fashioned way i.e patching. And picking
and choosing.
make menuconfig seems to work ok
make dep too
but 'make bzImage' or 'make zImage' produces the message above. In fact,
make zImage walks me through the excruciating console 'make config' steps
even though I've used 'make menuconfig' earlier. What's worse it even
ignores the settings I've chosen using 'make menuconfig'
ANy suggestions would be appreciated (er, except for a complete wipe :-)
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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