Linux-Misc Digest #203, Volume #27               Fri, 23 Feb 01 11:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: Tele Traffic Tapper (TTT) or any other similar tool?? (Dean Thompson)
  Curly brackets (Federico Bravo)
  Re: Tele Traffic Tapper (TTT) or any other similar tool?? (Anthony PIRON)
  Re: No rule to make target for compressed/image (Andrew Purugganan)
  Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (chrisv)
  Re: Linux "error 0x10" (jayslattery)
  Re: Seperate firewall machine delema (Warren Bell)
  Re: how to print man pages in good quality (James Silverton)
  Re: No rule to make target for compressed/image ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: Routing.....Arrrggggh...Help!! ("Tauno Voipio")
  Re: FTP scripting... (Frank da Cruz)
  Re: Linux "error 0x10" (Michael Heiming)
  2.4.2 kernel panics on boot ("Justin R. Smith")
  Re: Virtual/software UART? ("Tauno Voipio")
  Re: MS Messenger with Wine ("Hugo")
  Re: Linux "error 0x10" (Villy Kruse)
  Re: RedHat 7.0 Shutdown Problem (Tim Limbert)
  Re: writing to tape (DLT 8000) (Christoph Kukulies)
  Re: Linux "error 0x10" ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: writing to tape (DLT 8000) (Christoph Kukulies)
  Re: MS Messenger with Wine (Sinner from the Prairy)

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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.programmer,comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux,comp.dcom.net-management,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Tele Traffic Tapper (TTT) or any other similar tool??
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:22:26 +1100


Hi Rick,

[...]

> After i change to :
>  ./configure --with-tcpdump=/usr/src/tcpdump/linux-include, with my tcpdump
> source being inside linux-include and in tcpdump dir itself, more errors:
> 
> net_read.c: Structure has no member named uh_sport
> net_read.c: Structure has no member named uh_dport

This problem lies with the include files that are in the tcpdump version that
you are using.  I am in the process of sending you a copy of the tcpdump
version that I used which enabled TTT to compile without any problems.

See ya

Dean Thompson

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From: Federico Bravo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Curly brackets
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:28:36 GMT

Can you tell me how to insert special-characters when text-editing? I
mean when I write a C-Language program I would like to be able to put a
curly bracket after main () but there's none on my Italian keyboard (
which I mapped with xkeycaps ).
I'm used to vi ( RH 7.0 )  , but can move to any other editor if
necessary.
Thank you, sorry for the question ...

Federico.



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From: Anthony PIRON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.programmer,comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux,comp.dcom.net-management,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Tele Traffic Tapper (TTT) or any other similar tool??
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:34:27 +0100

Hi,

xnetload is maybe what you are looking for. This tool just show troughput on a
particular interface (eth0, ppp0, ...).

url: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/software/


Rick Goh wrote:

> Hi all,
> What are the tools for real-time monitoring of traffic with interval of 1
> sec? I just need to know the throughput per second of an interface or a
> particular port.
>
> I need to generate graphs for the data, IF the program doesn't do that. So
> logging into a text file is also great.
>
> I have tried Tele Traffic Tapper:
> http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/kjc/software.html#ttt
>
> HOWEVER i cannot compile the program. always have the error:
>
> " use "--with-tcpdump=DIR" to specify  the tcpdump source directory. "
>
> This error occurs even after i have specify the directory.
>
> After i change to :
>  ./configure --with-tcpdump=/usr/src/tcpdump/linux-include, with my tcpdump
> source being inside linux-include and in tcpdump dir itself, more errors:
>
> net_read.c: Structure has no member named uh_sport
> net_read.c: Structure has no member named uh_dport
>
> Please advise.

--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: No rule to make target for compressed/image
Date: 23 Feb 2001 13:44:18 GMT

Peter T. Breuer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

[ all the .rej's?

[ Do it again. You forgot to unapply mandrakes patches before applying
[ the .14 and .15 standard patches, and then reapplying mandrakes.

I think a lot of the .rej have to do with Mandrake having left out all 
the 'alpha' or 'ppc', 'sun' or 'sparc64' stuff. Which is good for me, as 
I don't need all that bloat for this home pc, but is that approach really 
healthy in the long run, if I wanted to upgrade in this manner?
What options do I have then? TIA
---
jazz 
Registered linux user no. 164098  +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??

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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:18:38 GMT

Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> You make it sound like grocery stores are getting hurt by the tax.
>> The threshold is very high, you have to be a millionaire for the
>> tax to have *any* effect.
>
>Wrong.  $600,000 is where it kicks in....which is *NOTHING*
>for a farm or a small machining shop.

Umm...  The limit is higher than that for farms and small businesses.


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From: jayslattery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux "error 0x10"
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:30:11 -0000


Peter T. Breuer wrote:
> 
> 
> jayslattery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > so i managed to install redhat 7.  after finishing the install, i get 
the 
> > black screen and some various system messages.  one looked odd, saying 
> > that some file failed because it was too large.  odd since, i've 
> > partitioned 8 GB for the linux section of my hard drive.  thought 
nothing 
> 
> Show us your partition table. Tell us how much memory you have. When
> you say "file" do you mean something like "installing lilo failed
> because partition /dev/hda3 is too large and may not fit under 1023
> cylinders"?
> 
> > of it.  when i install the emergency disc to bring up lilo (currently 
the 
> > only way i can access it) i press enter, and i get the 
following: "error 
> > 0x10"  i've looked everywhere and haven't been able to find the 
meaning of 
> > this error or the solution.  i have an athlon processor, maybe that is 
> 
> This is a bios error. Look it up in the lilo docs. Probably "I can't do
> that: your disk offset is too large for me to be able to load from".
> 
> > part of the problem.  please help!! i'm getting more frustrated with 
> 
> Post data.
> 
> Peter
Thanks guys,
I will post my partition table tonight when I get home and I will find the 
exact file failure message that I got.  I have 128 MB of memory.

--
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http://www.help.com/

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From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Seperate firewall machine delema
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:34:43 -0800

Wolfgang Lonien wrote:
> 
> Warren Bell wrote:
> 
> > <firewall>
> 
> Hi Warren,
> 
> it's a good idea to let one machine take care only of *security*, and to hide the 
>'real' servers behind that one. With ipchains you are on the right path already, for 
>Kernel 2.4 and up this will be netfilter/iptables. Read the Routing-Howto, the 
>Masquerading-Howto, the Advanced-Routing-Howto, the Firewall-Howto, and the 
>Security-Howto.
> 
> Greetings,
> Wolfgang

Hi,
I'm using Mandrake 7.2 so I can't use iptables.  Can this still be done
with ipchains?

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From: James Silverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to print man pages in good quality
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:41:49 -0500

Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> 
> Bob Tennent wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:40:49 +0100, bv wrote:
> >  >
> >  >Can anyone tell me how to print man pages in really good quality?
> >
> > man -t <command> | lpr
> >
> That works pretty well for me for almost all commands, but some are
> screwed up the same way as if you do man command | lpr instead of
> man command | col -b | lpr . I.e., some stuff obviously meant to be
> in bold is sloppily overtyped on my HP 660Cse printer that otherwise
> does very well.
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>Deletions<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The method that seems to work for me is to go to the originals and thus
give, for example:

zcat /usr/man/man1/foo.1.gz | groff -mandoc | lpr

This works even tho' I am using a non-PostScript printer with apsfilter.

Jim.


James V.  Silverton
Potomac, Maryland.

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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No rule to make target for compressed/image
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:22:25 +0100

Andrew Purugganan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter T. Breuer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> [ all the .rej's?

> [ Do it again. You forgot to unapply mandrakes patches before applying
> [ the .14 and .15 standard patches, and then reapplying mandrakes.

> I think a lot of the .rej have to do with Mandrake having left out all 

"You think"? "a lot"?

> the 'alpha' or 'ppc', 'sun' or 'sparc64' stuff. Which is good for me, as 
> I don't need all that bloat for this home pc, but is that approach really 
> healthy in the long run, if I wanted to upgrade in this manner?

Your approach is not healthy at all. You have to know. Exactly.

> What options do I have then? TIA

When?

Oh, I see.  Look, the situation is this: mandrake have applied patches
to a kernel. That makes it nonstandard. That means that work has to be
done to integrate any other patches with it, including standard kernel
patches. Either you do that work or someone else does.

In this case, mandrake can do it. Aren't they already at something like
 .17?

Peter

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From: "Tauno Voipio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Routing.....Arrrggggh...Help!!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:51:57 GMT


"Adam Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:975a9k$9o6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> This driving me up the wall. I have set up a RedHat Linux 6.2 box with
diald
> on it. This machine is going to be a router/firewall machine. The thing is
I
> can't get the routing sorted out.. Where does everything need to point to?
> No matter where I point everything to, I just can't seem to get the
routing
> table looking like anything I've seen on any web pages.
>
> My IP Address for my dialup connection is say 10.11.12.13 (sorry I can't
> remember the proper one), and the remote address for my ISP (Demon
Internet)
> is 158.152.1.222. The IP address of my internal network interface is
> 192.168.1.1.
>
> What do I need to do to configure networks etc......
> What does my default route on this machine have to be set to?
> In my diald configuration do I need to have the defaultroute command bit
in
> either diald.conf or ppp/options?
>

You should start by reading the IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio @ iki fi




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: FTP scripting...
Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:00:27 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Thompson  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "René Scheibe" wrote:
: 
: > ...can someone tell me if the normal ftp-client is scriptable???
: > How can I write a script for it.
: > Can you give me an example???
: > I want to login to a server and put a file on it.
: 
: Check "man ftp" and look for the section discussing the ".netrc"
: file.
: 
The .netrc file is not exactly scripting.  As noted in:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscript.html

"... FTP commands don't have any capability for error detection, decision
making, conditional execution, etc. Note that the .netrc file can also be
used to store host access information (your username and password on each
host). It's a glaring security risk to have this well-known file on your
disk; anybody who gains access to your .netrc also gains access to all the
hosts listed in it."

Requests for scriptable FTP clients are posted on the newsgroups every
day.  Here is a scriptable FTP client:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html

Take a look at it.  It almost certainly does what you want in a
straightforward, flexible, and portable manner.

- Frank

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From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux "error 0x10"
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:04:30 +0100

"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:

> Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> >> jayslattery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Show us your partition table.
>
> > The output from:
>
> > fdisk -l
>
> (nothing)
>
> /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda
>
> may be safer.

Perhaps, but I havn't seen any Linux system in the last few years which h=
ad no
/proc support.

from man fdisk

       -l     List the partition tables for the specified devices
              and then exit.  If no devices are given, those men=AD
              tioned in /proc/partitions  (if  that  exists)  are
              used.

Best regards

Michael Heiming
Thank god it's friday today

>
>
> >> > only way i can access it) i press enter, and i get the following: =
"error
> >> > 0x10"  i've looked everywhere and haven't been able to find the me=
aning of
> >> > this error or the solution.  i have an athlon processor, maybe tha=
t is
> >> This is a bios error. Look it up in the lilo docs. Probably "I can't=
 do
> >> that: your disk offset is too large for me to be able to load from".=

>
> >> Post data.
>
>
> Peter
>


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From: "Justin R. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2.4.2 kernel panics on boot
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:04:38 GMT

This may be a dumb question, but

I've compiled 2.4.2 without problems. On boot, I get the messages:

1. No socket drivers installed
(presumably, I forgot to answer Yes to some one of the hundreds of
questions in the configure step, but which one?)

2. no boot device specified. Cannot boot on 1601 or 16:01. panic

I do specify a boot device in the lilo.config file, namely /dev/hdc1, so
what gives?
(Is this related to the previous problem?)

Thank you!

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From: "Tauno Voipio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Virtual/software UART?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:05:27 GMT


"SLee000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am developing a 'virtual/software' UART (Universal Asynchronous Receiver
> Transmitter).
> That is, using software to simulate the RS232 Serial port (COM0, COM1,
COM2
> etc.).
> Instead of writing a byte to a hardware register and letting the hardware
UART
> ( like an 8250 or
> 16550) shift the bits out, I will be doing the shifting in software,
> writing/reading only to
> a generic GPIO pin (as in an Intel Northbridge chipset) or to one pin of
the
> parallel port.
>
> Has anyone developed something like this for Linux/UNIX before?
>

The first advice is: Don't.

It was a popular way to handle 16 serial lines at the time of the
minicomputers (1970's). At least Data General Nova and several Digital PDP's
used this way of running several 110 bit/s lines together.

For the current line speeds the interrupt overhead is prohibitive. For
decent reception the bit interrupt rate should be at least 8 times the bit
rate. The usual UART's are using sampling at 16 times the bit rate.

Been there and done that.

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio @ iki fi





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From: "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Messenger with Wine
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:21:21 +0100

    I have tried everybuddy out a little and it seems to work fine,  thank
you very much.

                                                Hugo


"rich sage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió en el mensaje
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hugo wrote:
> > if it's possible to run messenger
>
> You could always try out Everybuddy (http://www.everybuddy.com), it seems
> a little unstable on my setup, but maybe thats just me :) Messenger
> support, ICQ and Yahoo I think as well. File transfer hangs my machine
> though with Messenger.
>
> HTH,
>
> Rich S.
>
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Linux "error 0x10"
Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:23:08 GMT

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:04:30 +0100, Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>Perhaps, but I havn't seen any Linux system in the last few years which had no
>/proc support.
>
>from man fdisk
>
>       -l     List the partition tables for the specified devices
>              and then exit.  If no devices are given, those men­
>              tioned in /proc/partitions  (if  that  exists)  are
>              used.
>
>Best regards
>


However there are versions of fdisk that makes specifying the disk
device mandatory.  


Villy

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From: Tim Limbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.0 Shutdown Problem
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:34:52 -0600

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jim Henderson wrote:
>Hi, all...
>
>Got RedHat 7.0 with kernel 2.4.0 (released, not the one that came with
>RH7) and have noticed on one system (and only one system of 3 that's set
>up this way) that when the system shuts down it never unmounts the /
>filesystem.  Result is that when I reboot the system after a clean
>shutdown, e2fsck still has to run.
>
>I've looked over the shutdown scripts and can't find anything wrong -
>but I'm not that familiar with how the shutdown sequence works.  Where
>should I be looking to determine why the system isn't unmounting the
>filesystem properly?
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim

I'm having the same problem.  I get around it by logging out from user account,
logging right back in as root, selecting failsafe as interface, then giving the
halt command.  I thnk you can get the same effect by just bringing up a
terminal window while logged in as user, switch to su mode, then halt.
Annoying.  Fortunately, I rarely have to shut the machine down.

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From: Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: writing to tape (DLT 8000)
Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:41:21 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:> Christoph Kukulies wrote:
: ...

:> > First off, I can see only /dev/st0. Where is the nrst0?

: Try "/dev/nst0"; no 'r'.
: st = Scsi Tape, 0 = 1st device, prepended 'n' = non-rewinding

: You may also have a symlink from tape-device to '/dev/tape'.

Ah, yes, I see nst0 now. Was so accustomed to rst0/nrst0.
Thanks to you both, who pointed that out.


: ==================================
: Posted via http://nodevice.com
: Linux Programmer's Site

-- 
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux "error 0x10"
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:26:43 +0100

Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda

> Perhaps, but I havn't seen any Linux system in the last few years which had no
> /proc support.

Tell that to my debian 2.2 systems:

nbd:/usr/oboe/ptb% sudo /sbin/fdisk -l
(nothing)

nbd:/usr/oboe/ptb% sudo /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda

Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1216 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes

   Device Boot    Start       End    Blocks   Id  System
   /dev/hda1             1         2     16033+  de  Unknown
   /dev/hda2   *         3       263   2096482+   6  FAT16
   /dev/hda4           264      1216   7654972+   5  Extended
   /dev/hda5           264       272     72261   83  Linux
   /dev/hda6           273       338    530113+  83  Linux
   /dev/hda7           339       355    136521   82  Linux swap
   /dev/hda8           356       486   1052226   83  Linux
   /dev/hda9           487       552    530113+  83  Linux
   /dev/hda10          553       814   2104483+  83  Linux
   /dev/hda11          815      1076   2104483+  83  Linux
   /dev/hda12         1077      1207   1052226   83  Linux
   /dev/hda13         1208      1216     72261   83  Linux


> from man fdisk

>        -l     List the partition tables for the specified devices
>               and then exit.  If no devices are given, those men
>               tioned in /proc/partitions  (if  that  exists)  are
>               used.

It's listed that way here too ... I wonder why it's not working.

nbd:/usr/oboe/ptb% /sbin/fdisk -v
fdisk v2.10q

nbd:/usr/oboe/ptb% sudo strace -eopen /sbin/fdisk -l
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 3
open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 3
open("/proc/partitions", O_RDONLY)      = 3
open("/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)


OK .. that explains it. It's looking for devfs stuff. And it's disabled
in my kernel.


Peter

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From: Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: writing to tape (DLT 8000)
Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:47:57 GMT

Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Christoph Kukulies wrote:
:> 
:> Since tapeware fails miserably on my RH 6.1 machine (SMP, nfs, yp, amd)
:> I have decided to use my own backup strategy.
:> 
:> I'm thinking of writing compressed tarballs to a DLT drive one of all
:> users in the network per day. 

: I suggest cpio or afio (?) instead of tar, so it is easier to
: recover from tape errors.

:> Steered by a timestamp I put in some
:> directory on the central machine that has the tape drive. The user
:> dirs are automounted in /home/<host>/user. So everything is accessible
:> locally on the machine doing the backup.
:> 
:> First off, I can see only /dev/st0. Where is the nrst0?

: There should be. Unless your tape drive cannot operate in
: non-rewinding mode for some reason. I cannot imagine such a reason,
: but one never knows.
:> 
:> How does one write to DLT? Is this different from 'normal' tapes?

: You can use cp, cpio, etc. I.e., it is "just another file", there is
: no file system there.
:> 
:> I'm thinking of writing these tarballs as files to tape.

: As I said, I suggest avoiding tar.
:> 
:> To recover data from a certain file I have to keep track of the
:> file numbers on tape and skip to the appropriate file.
:> 
:> How can I safely position to the end of tape for writing
:> new backups in the case that a recovery from backup has occured?
:> 
: I suggest writing only one backup to each tape. In the old days,
: when tape cost was an issue, you might have been able to justify
: writing a full backup and a few incrementals to the same tape. But
: for my DDS-2 drive, 8 Gigabyte tapes are only about $8.00 each. And
: with the disk capacity machines have these days, it is all you can
: do to get a full backup onto a single tape as it is.

: If you have, say, a full backup and a few incrementals on the same
: tape, and the tape goes bad, you lose everything (just to save
: $8.00). If you put your backups on separate tapes, you lose only one

I don't know where you get your DLT media from but is it just 8.00 $/tape
media? Also using one tape/backup file is tedious in so far, as
the media has to be changed every day (daily backups provided), meaning
operator intervention required.

Leaving in the tape for a couple of weeks would be nicer.

: day's work (which is bad enough). Do not save money by writing more
: than one backup on a tape.

: I have a separate tape for Monday, Tuesday, ..., Saturday. I have 5
: tapes for Sunday (first Sunday, second Sunday, ...) each month, and
: I cycle through these in the obvious way. That way I can always get
: a backup less than a week old. I can get the any week for a month. I
: also make a new monthly tape the first of each month and those go to
: the safe deposit box at the bank. So I can ALWAYS get to any month I
: might need (unless the bank suffers a disaster).

: -- 
:  .~.  Jean-David Beyer           Registered Linux User 85642.
:  /V\                             Registered Machine    73926.
: /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
: ^^-^^ 6:50am up 14:24, 3 users, load average: 2.01, 2.07, 2.08

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From: Sinner from the Prairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Messenger with Wine
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:00:39 -0500

Hola Hugo,

Please visit my web-page for a screenshot of MS-Messenger running under
Wine... talking to everybuddy:

http://www.geocities.com/sinner_prair/wine/

I did it with my Mandrake 7..2 and CodeWeavers Wine 1.0pre2 (wine
20011201 IIRC)

If you need further info, please post a message.



Salut,
Sinner
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