Linux-Misc Digest #215, Volume #27 Sat, 24 Feb 01 19:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: Web page publishing ("Matt O'Toole")
parport irq and dma (L Brookes)
Re: Bad Magic Number ? - Recovery ? (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? ("Adam Warner")
Re: Web page publishing (Goodyear)
Where to find these libs for licq? (Chris Carlen)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (mlw)
Re: Web page publishing (Grant Edwards)
Now what to with sane? Help can't find the scanner (Robert Schweikert)
Re: Linux as terminal emulator. (Grant Edwards)
Re: Now what to with sane? Help can't find the scanner (Drew Roedersheimer)
remote esound ("Noah")
Re: RedHat 7.0 Shutdown Problem (root)
libc 2.x, libc 5, libc 6 (Paul Lew)
Re: Now what to with sane? Help can't find the scanner ("jujubeesRULE")
Re: surviving in a Windows only environment? ("Darryl L. Pierce")
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (J Sloan)
svgalib I/O permission (Mladen Gavrilovic)
Photos of Taichung Taiwan Linux User Group Meeting, 2/10/2001 (Dan Jacobson)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Peter Hayes)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (mlw)
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:19:42 -0800
"Brian Goodyear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I use brain and Netscape.
> >
> > Also, to uploaded I use rsync via ssh.
>
> Yes, I realize that there are ways to cobble together something but I
would
> like something more along the lines of Front Page.
Nothing is more "cobbled together" than the crap Frontpage spits out. And
I'm not slandering WYSIWYG programs in general: things like Dreamweaver are
excellent. But Frontpage is garbage. I've been forced to use it on a
couple of projects, because that's what a company had standardized on. It
mangles any code you import into it, and constantly messes up its own code,
so that you spend more time fixing problems by hand than you would if you
just wrote the whole thing with a text editor. Seriously. Plus, the sites
it churns out are ugly and amateurish looking. If you want a real
bonehead's web tool, I'd rather see you use Fusion. It churns out even more
spaghetti-like code that's completely impossible to edit by hand, but at
least it works reliably, and the end product looks OK.
Netscape Composer is a lot more capable than you think. A similar product
worth trying is Amaya, which supposedly cranks out totally
standards-compliant code.
I like Quanta+.
Matt O.
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From: L Brookes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: parport irq and dma
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:41:14 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am running kernel 2.4.2 and have 2 parports, parport0 is onboard and parport1 is an
ISA card.
On boot I get this:-
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: 0x378: FIFO is 16 bytes
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: 0x378: writeIntrThreshold is 16
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: 0x378: readIntrThreshold is 16
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778)
[PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,EPP,ECP]
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: parport0: irq 7 detected
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: parport1: PC-style at 0x278 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
[snip]
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: lp0: console ready
Feb 24 17:17:44 localhost kernel: lp1: using parport1 (polling).
How do I get these ports to use interrupts?
I tried 'echo 7 > /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/irq' , and some such things but I get
'permission denied'.
Also how do I get dma working? The BIOS reports that parport0 is set to use dma 3.
Thanks for any replies
--
L Brookes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Bad Magic Number ? - Recovery ?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:39:22 GMT
Kosmas Chatzimichalis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm trying to recover an old /home partition in a different hard
>disk than the one I'm using at the moment.
>
>I've tried a few things but I cannot seem to be able to mount the
>partition,
>and when I make an entry to /etc/fstab in the new system and reboot,
>I've got
>the error message 'Bad magic number.....'.
>
>Is there anything I can do to recover all my data from the /home
>partition?
>
>Any help would be appreciated :-)
You can do from DOS or Windows:
findpart all fp.txt
and post (insert, not attach) the content from fp.txt.
--
Svend Olaf
Findpart: http://inet.uni2.dk/~svolaf/utilities.htm
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:47:13 +1300
Hi Peter,
> What I'm trying to do, is design a factory inventory system. To keep
> cost down I want to use Linux. The model I'm using, is a furniture
> factory. I want to design a system that will allow the factory to keep
> track of their "work in progress" and finished goods. I'm guessing that
> this will be a little more complicated than your average inventory
> system?
Well as others have said you'll probably want to use an *SQL database.
> Of course the workers would have to access the system to enter data,
> etc, so the user interfaces can't be too complicated (GUI?).
Your workers would know how to use a web browser, so why not make the
inventory system accessible through any web browser? The MySQL database
and PHP scripting language would be a good combination for this task.
> SOFTWARE
>
> Is there any "open source" software that can help me with the inventory
> and tracking ? or
Try search words such as 'inventory' over at www.freshmeat.net. There's
quite a few potential candidates.
Remember that you do not have to release the source to your software even
if it is GPLed unless you decide to distribute the code. Even so you may
of course want to share the code.
> Would it make more sense to just buy the software (for linux) ?
It would probably make more sense to buy support for a custom solution.
> HARDWARE
<snip>
> this up!!!) On the server side, things get a little tricky, maybe (just
> maybe) tie into a win 2000 server (A lot depends on what existing system
> they already have, and we all know that many of the existing systems
> will be win98, etc).
You don't actually know the state of the present computer system at the
factory? Then this is bogus. Still you shouldn't have compatibility
problems accessing the server from Win98 clients, particularly if a web
browser is used to access the inventory system.
> I guess the management would need to access the data entered by the
> factory workers to check progress, productivity, etc. A linux server
> could be used and we could somehow give the management access to this
> server though their existing win boxes (secure CRT ?). Or we could
> design a simple way to access and read the data in linux
> (write a small reporting program or use some simple database program)
> and also have the forms printed automatically at the end of the day.
Again, you could make the data accessible from a web browser.
> SUPPORT
>
> Depending on the size of the factory, in-house linux/windows support
> would be smart, But if it's a small company, then they could call on the
> systems/software provider (me) for support. From what I read about
> linux, if I design the system right, there won't be to many problems. I
> would probably set up a service contract where I would come in every
> month and check things out.
I'm sorry but if you only know GNU+Linux from "what you read" you are
certainly not qualified enough to be support.
> SECURITY
>
> This system would not be accessible from the outside, This is a lone
> factory (pretty rare in today's world, but let's keep things simple :)
> Managers would have internet access, so normal virus protection, and
> other precautions would be in place.
So long as the computers that can access the database also have Internet
access then security will be incredibly important.
With the money saved, why not use that money for separate low-end clients
to access the inventory system (that is, partition off the inventory
system from the Internet)?
Regards,
Adam
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From: Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:53:02 -0500
Matt O'Toole wrote:
> > Yes, I realize that there are ways to cobble together something but I
> would
> > like something more along the lines of Front Page.
>
> Nothing is more "cobbled together" than the crap Frontpage spits out. And
> I'm not slandering WYSIWYG programs in general: things like Dreamweaver
> are
> excellent. But Frontpage is garbage.
Well, at this point in time I am unable to make a comparison really. All I
know is that I saw somebody working with it and he was able to drag an
image to another place on the page. I downloaded Amaya and tried a simalar
thing but it will only accept cut and paste. I don't want to write the
worlds's best web page. I already have one which was done by someone else
and now I want to be able to update it myself. I want to be able to log
on, have the program read the whole site directory structure, be able to
manipulate it on a more or less rudimentary level, be able to save my
changes to the site and log off. Is that too much to ask? Can Netscape do
that? I'm asking. I love Linux. I came to it from OS/2 not Windows.
> bonehead's web tool, I'd rather see you use Fusion. It churns out even
> more spaghetti-like code that's completely impossible to edit by hand, but
> at least it works reliably, and the end product looks OK.
>
> Netscape Composer is a lot more capable than you think. A similar product
> worth trying is Amaya, which supposedly cranks out totally
> standards-compliant code.
>
> I like Quanta+.
>
> Matt O.
Thanks very much for those names. I did searches on Freshmeat but I don't
recall seeing any of those. It doesn't bother me to pay for software. I
just want it to work without having to reinvent the wheel.
--
thanks....Brian
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From: Chris Carlen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where to find these libs for licq?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:50:53 -0800
Hi:
I downloaded an licq RPM package for Suse 7.0. It needs two libs that I
don't have:
liblcms.so.1
libmng.so.0
Anyone know where these come from and how to get them?
Thanks.
--
PLEASE REPLY TO THE NEWSGROUP OR REMOVE BOGUS FIELD FROM EMAIL
ADDRESS!!!
Christopher R. Carlen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:00:34 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:40:48 GMT, peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is there any "open source" software that can help me with the
> > inventory and tracking ? or
>
> You will probably want to use a real database rather than inventing some
> file format of your own. The best-known open databases are MySQL and
> PostreSQL.
Hands down no competition, PostgreSQL. Neither MySQL nor msql are up to the
task. A factory environment would require transactional processing.
>
--
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time.
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of
consistency.
-- Albert Einstein
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http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:01:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Goodyear wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I use brain and Netscape.
>>
>> Also, to uploaded I use rsync via ssh.
>
>Yes, I realize that there are ways to cobble together something
>but I would like something more along the lines of Front Page.
Front page is a horrendous piece of crap. It generates *awful*
HTML that has an approximately 0% chance of rendering properly
on a different browsers and at a different resolutions. The BS
required on the HTTP server to support Fromt Page is also
horrible. Last time I installed Front Page support, it was
almot 8 times larger than the server itself.
I'm not aware of anything on Linux that's even remotely as
screwed up as Front Page.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! If this is the DATING
at GAME I want to know your
visi.com FAVORITE PLANET! Do I get
th' MICROWAVE MOPED?
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From: Robert Schweikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Now what to with sane? Help can't find the scanner
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:03:11 -0500
Got it all set up and am all exited, but now what.
I have a UMAX Astra 1220S scanner, I installed sane, sane-front ends and
sane-backends and xsane. I am using an Adaptech 2940 SCSI card and was
hoping to just connect everything and it would work. But well....
When I booted the Adaptech card was picked up properly, the scanner is
turned on but xsane reports "no devices available" and "scanimage
--list-devices" shows nothing.
What to do? Where to start? ????
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Robert
--
Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU
[EMAIL PROTECTED] LINUX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Linux as terminal emulator.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:06:36 GMT
In article <9794p3$las$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Frank da Cruz wrote:
>In article <01c09e8e$ac5e9c00$03b42a3e@default>,
>Celestino Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: I need to configure my Linux as a VT100 terminal emulator connected by
>: serial line to a UNIX system. I do not know how to do this.
>
>In Linux and other forms of UNIX, terminal emulation is
>separate from communication. Terminal emulation is supplied by
>the Linux console driver or X window (xterm or xfree86).
>Communications and dialing and file transfer, etc, by C-Kermit:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
My vote is also for ckermit. It used to be included in most
Linux distrobutions, but about 5-6 years ago they stopped due
to some licensing issues (either real or imagined, I don't know).
OTOH, there's also minicom (curses) and Seyon (X). I can't
ever get either of them to do anything very useful, but other
people seem to use them.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm CONTROLLED by
at the CIA!! EVERYONE is
visi.com controlled by the CIA!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: Now what to with sane? Help can't find the scanner
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:11:14 GMT
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:03:11 -0500, Robert Schweikert wrote:
>Got it all set up and am all exited, but now what.
>
>I have a UMAX Astra 1220S scanner, I installed sane, sane-front ends and
>sane-backends and xsane. I am using an Adaptech 2940 SCSI card and was
>hoping to just connect everything and it would work. But well....
>
>When I booted the Adaptech card was picked up properly, the scanner is
>turned on but xsane reports "no devices available" and "scanimage
>--list-devices" shows nothing.
>
>What to do? Where to start? ????
>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Robert
>
>--
>Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] LINUX
>
>
>
I would bet that you don't have a scanner device created in /dev.
Here's what mine looks like:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 11 04:22 /dev/scanner \
-> /dev/scanner0
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 180, 48 Jan 11 04:04 /dev/scanner0
You should create a new node with mknod...`man mknod`. Also, for your
reference, /your/linux source location/Documentation/devices.txt gives all
the major and minor numbers for devices under linux.
HTH
-DR
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From: "Noah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Noah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: remote esound
Date: 24 Feb 2001 14:17:59 -0800
I am trying to test out how to get sound working remotely. I ran esd -port
5001, then run esdctl unlock, then esdplay --server=localhost:5001
/usr/share/sounds/phone.wav
and it just exits and nothing plays.
If I run it without the --server option it plays ok. Unfortunately there
doesn't seem to be any documentation of any value on esound.....no man or
--help even....so help me please...
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.0 Shutdown Problem
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:27:46 GMT
Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> Hi, all...
>
> Got RedHat 7.0 with kernel 2.4.0 (released, not the one that came with
> RH7) and have noticed on one system (and only one system of 3 that's set
> up this way) that when the system shuts down it never unmounts the /
> filesystem. Result is that when I reboot the system after a clean
> shutdown, e2fsck still has to run.
>
> I've looked over the shutdown scripts and can't find anything wrong -
> but I'm not that familiar with how the shutdown sequence works. Where
> should I be looking to determine why the system isn't unmounting the
> filesystem properly?
>
> TIA,
>
> Jim
Hi Jim,
I had the same problem. Try to disable the power-management of your PC
in the BIOS.
Gerhard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: libc 2.x, libc 5, libc 6
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:54:31 GMT
Guess there is a difference between libc 2.1 and 2.2 but what is the
relation with libc 5 or libc 6 ??
The more I get into linux the more I drown.....
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From: "jujubeesRULE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Now what to with sane? Help can't find the scanner
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:29:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Robert Schweikert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Got it all set up and am all exited, but now what.
>
> I have a UMAX Astra 1220S scanner, I installed sane, sane-front ends and
> sane-backends and xsane. I am using an Adaptech 2940 SCSI card and was
> hoping to just connect everything and it would work. But well....
>
> When I booted the Adaptech card was picked up properly, the scanner is
> turned on but xsane reports "no devices available" and "scanimage
> --list-devices" shows nothing.
>
> What to do? Where to start? ????
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Robert
>
Do you have the generic scsi support for the kernel (sg.o module)? If not,
you will need to recompile a kernel with support for it since that is how
the scanner will be accessed.
If you already have support, if it's as a module, make sure the sg module
is loaded. Then, if its the only scsi device, it should be available as
/dev/sg0 (or possible sga). If there are more scsi devices already being
used, it will depend upon the order that the devices were added, but will be
/dev/sg<something>.
You need to then make sure that the permissions are set properly for the
device so that the user or group can access it.
Then, you may need to edit umax.conf. Its location may vary widely
depending upon how sane was installed. Mine is /etc/sane.d/umax.conf and
only contains the following 2 lines
scsi UMAX * Scanner
/dev/sg3
You should then be able to fire up xsane, and it should find the device,
and away you go.
If the above didn't help, check out the xane and xsane sites, as they
have info on setting-up/configuring a scanner.
http://www.mostang.com/sane/
http://www.xsane.org/
http://www.mostang.com/sane/man/sane-umax.5.html
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From: "Darryl L. Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: surviving in a Windows only environment?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:38:50 -0500
Juergen Heinzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes .. it's an OS, not a religious issue, so behave like a professional
> and use what the company supplies or change jobs.
Mate, I think you're being a bit harsh. Just because the company uses a
Windows-based mail suite doesn't mean Windows is the only option for an
employee there. Hence the reason for the question about Linux alternatives
to Windows software. Rather than being harsh and offering no solution,
you should consider the person's question and think about whether you're
helping the situation or just complaining.
--
/**
* @author Darryl L. Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* @see The Infobahn Offramp <http://welcome.to/mcpierce>
*/
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:36:45 GMT
mlw wrote:
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:40:48 GMT, peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any "open source" software that can help me with the
> > > inventory and tracking ? or
> >
> > You will probably want to use a real database rather than inventing some
> > file format of your own. The best-known open databases are MySQL and
> > PostreSQL.
>
> Hands down no competition, PostgreSQL. Neither MySQL nor msql are up to the
> task. A factory environment would require transactional processing.
postgres is very complete, no question about that, but
mysql now has transactions and row locking abilities.
It's not the stripped down hot rod you remember.
jjs
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From: Mladen Gavrilovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: svgalib I/O permission
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:38:49 GMT
Hi all,
I'm having some problems with SVGAlib. It doesn't seem to want to work
with regular users, only the superuser. If a normal user tries to run a
SVGAlib program, it says "cannot get I/O permissions". The user DOES
own /dev/tty<whatever>, so it's unclear what the problem is. I looked
through /etc/vga/libvga.config and through the documentation that came
with SVGAlib. I'm running an up to date Red Hat 7.
Regards,
Mladen
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From: Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Photos of Taichung Taiwan Linux User Group Meeting, 2/10/2001
Date: 23 Feb 2001 21:22:58 +0800
Photos: http://tclug.linux.org.tw/0210/
I'm the white guy with the hair.
--
http://www.geocities.com/jidanni Tel886-4-25854780 e-mail:restore .com. ¿n¤¦¥§
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:00:45 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:20:43 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Byron A Jeff wrote:
>
> > It's about disposable income Aaron. Those who have it should give. Those
> > who don't should get help. It ain't fair in your world view. But life isn't
> > fair. Which is exactly my point.
>
> The only fair tax is every able-bodied adult pays the EXACT SAME AMOUNT.
But some are more able-bodied than others.
--
Peter
55°25"N 4°44'W
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:14:13 -0500
J Sloan wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> > Hands down no competition, PostgreSQL. Neither MySQL nor msql are up to the
> > task. A factory environment would require transactional processing.
>
> postgres is very complete, no question about that, but
> mysql now has transactions and row locking abilities.
>
> It's not the stripped down hot rod you remember.
This isn't the correct forum to debate this, but..... does MySQL have "commit"
or "rollback?" Without which it does not have "transactions." Does it preserve
transactional integrity, so other queries currently being processed do not see
changes being made, or does it lock up the system until a query has finished?
For instance:
If I start this update (lets assume the initial value in all the rows is 10):
"update fubar set field = 20;"
Execute the following query, BEFORE the above query is finished:
"select field from fubar where field = 10;"
What will happen?
Will MySQL lock the table until the update is finished, will it return a
partial list of records in fubar, or will it function function correctly and
return all the rows in fubar.
Now, what if I hit control-C to cancel the update? Will all the records in
fubar be 10, will some be 20 or will all be 20?
In postgres, the results of the first query are not visible until the
transaction has been committed, AND other queries can continue at the same
time.
In postgres, if you cancel the transaction, and none of the rows would have
changed.
PostgreSQL is an amazing database, MySQL is a toy.
--
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time.
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of
consistency.
-- Albert Einstein
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http://www.mohawksoft.com
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