Linux-Misc Digest #257, Volume #27 Wed, 28 Feb 01 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: How do I include errno.h ? (Vladimir Florinski)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Swap File Question (Floyd Davidson)
Re: /bin/sh (Dave Brown)
Re: Linux partitioning question ("Cjv")
Re: Flash-Player 5 on SuSE 7.1 crashes (E J)
Re: Linux partitioning question ("Cjv")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (John Hasler)
Re: Clone an Linux machine (how)? (E J)
Regular Expression Syntax Limitation? ("Adam Warner")
Hylafax (mike)
Newbie: Best information channels... (Chris Czeyka)
Re: Web page publishing (Goodyear)
Problem of ssh connection (Carfield Yim)
Re: Problem of iptables -- Can't load modules (Carfield Yim)
Re: Web page publishing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
bash: scp: command not found (but...) (Noah Roberts)
Re: Linux partitioning question (Tim Moore)
Pipes (Manoj K Krishnan)
Help w/ ne.o module (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: bash: scp: command not found (but...) (Carl Fink)
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I include errno.h ?
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:44:43 -0700
Cedric Chausson wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I had (and still have) the following problem :
>
> >Problem while compiling sane-backends 1.0.4. The ./configure goes all right.
> >Then I do make. It starts compiling some but it ends with an error message :
>
> >sanei_net.c: In function `w_option_value':
> >sanei_net.c:122: `EINVAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
> >sanei_net.c:122: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> >sanei_net.c:122: for each function it appears in.)
> >make[1]: *** [sanei_net.o] Error 1
> >make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Cedric/Installation/sane-backends-1.0.4/sanei'
> >make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>
> Someone told me the solutio was to include errno.h in the file. But I
> looked in sanei-net.c and I saw "#include <errno.h>" in it. So what is
> the problem ? What should I do ?
>
I would check your kernel source (especially headers in /usr/src/linux), and
whether links such as /usr/src/linux, /usr/include/linux, etc., point to the
right place.
--
Vladimir
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:19:04 +0000
>> > Peter writes:
>> >> OTOH, even in the cave, man was searching for a reason for his
>> >> existence. That, and art, is what separates us from the beasts in
>> >> the field.
>> >
>> > Show that "the beasts in the field" do not practice art
>>
>> They do practice art. See my other post.
>
> The Bower birds. Fascinating. But isn't it just a very exaggerated
> mating ritual carried on by instinct rather than conscious artistic
> input?
Creating the bowers and filling them seems to be an inherited ritual. What
they fill them with and how they arrange the fillings (they are very, very
picky about this)[*] seems to be entirely up to artistic judgement on the
part of the bird. The females then seem to choose them on artistic merit
as well. Of course, a female bower bird's idea of artistic merit is
different to other female bower birds idea of merit.
Several young male birds will group together and practice building bowers,
which implies that this is a skill which needs to be aquired rather than
purely an instinct.
I saw a program where David Attenborough tried moving objects slightly or
adding in objects. When the birds returned, they threw out the new
objects and put the others back.
-Ed
--
| u98ejr
| @
Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
| .ac.uk
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Swap File Question
Date: 28 Feb 2001 15:28:37 -0900
"Dan Hull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>To anyone whom can help:
>
>I have a dual PIII 650, 256 meg ram, ide 20 gig hard drive. I have Redhat
>version 6.2 installed. I manually configured my filesystem with fdisk. In
>that filesystem configuration I chose two separate swap file partitions of
>125 meg each. For some reason my system runs entirely on the ram memory and
>will not access either of the swap file space at all. Frequently after
>running many daemons, etc. my machine goes erratic and eventually locks up
>and I have to do an unclean shutdown, which corrupts the filesystem and has
>to be cleaned upon restart.
>
>Anyone know why the swap files are not working and more importantly, how I
>can get them working again?
>
>You can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any help you wish to contribute.
First, you need to know if your swap is actually available, do:
>cat /proc/swaps
And look at what it says. If you do have swap space available,
and it is being used, it might be that you are using more
virtual memory than you have allocated??? You have 256Mb of RAM
and 250Mb of swap, and if you actually need 750Mb of virtual
memory the system is going to crash. In that case you might
consider adding either more RAM or more swap, or both.
However, if it does indeed say you have no swap allocated, then
you need to see if your swap partitions are properly formatted
and able to be mounted. Try
>swapon /dev/xxx
where "/dev/xxx" is the device file for one of the swap
partitions. That might be, for example, /dev/hda3 or /dev/hda2.
If that works, then you need to look in /etc/fstab and see if
your swap partitions are listed. If they are not listed they
will not be mounted by the init files at boot time. The entries
should look something like this:
#
# swap space
#
/dev/hda2 none swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hda3 none swap defaults 0 0
If they are already there, you'll need to look in the rc files
for boot up and determine what is broken (there should be a
command "swapon -a").
However, if the manual attempt to run swapon did not work,
perhaps your swap partitions have not been "formatted". In that
case you want to run mkswap,
>mkswap /dev/hda2
And then try the swapon command again.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: /bin/sh
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:29:07 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>Francis Litterio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>
> (( VAR = VAR + 1 ))
>
>is an expression, while
>
> ((VAR = VAR + 1))
>
>is a subshell (pair). Anyway, talk to the authoor about it.
Based on what I know about ksh, I'd say that " (( " is parsed as
a 'key word'; " ((VAR " changes the tokenizing, key word is lost,
but then each "(" can still be a metacharacter for subshell action.
Same sort of thing with " [ ": " [x = y] " generates a parse
error, as " [ " is the key word for a test and needs a terminating
key word " ] ".
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: "Cjv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux partitioning question
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:44:32 -0800
"Tim Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > place for /tmp to physically be located. Both /tmp and /usr/tmp
> > > should be symlinks to /var/tmp.
> > >
> > How would I symlink /tmp and /usr/tmp to /var/tmp when they seem to
be
> > created automatically when I do the install?? (Im a newbie)
>
> # go to single user mode
> init 1
>
> # move anything you want to save to /var/tmp
> cd /tmp
> cp -av . /var/tmp
> cd /usr/tmp
> cp -av . /var/tmp
>
> # remove the old directories
> rm -rvf /tmp /usr/tmp
>
> # make new links
> cd /
> ln -s /var/tmp
> cd /usr
> ln -s /var/tmp
>
> # sanity check
> ls -l / | grep tmp
> ls -l /usr | grep tmp
>
> # reboot
> init 6
>
> --
> timothymoore
> bigfoot
> com
Forgive my ignorance, please, but you lost me a couple of times here,
and I'd appreciate it if you help me understand a few
things here. Thanks...
>cp -av . /var/tmp # Are you using the '.' as a wildcard? Im wondering why
not an '*'
> cd /
> ln -s /var/tmp # I thought that a symbolic link had to be named. If it
doesnt, then how do programs (for example) that
normally would write to the /tmp directory be able to find it?
As you can see , I dont have any Unix background, and Im just trying to
learn about things (like this) that I havent come across
in any of the things I've been reading.
Thanks, Chris
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Flash-Player 5 on SuSE 7.1 crashes
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:42:22 GMT
I have download Flash-Player 5 also. It would show flash animation but not
sound on my Netscape 4.76 or 6.01 on Redhat 7.0 under KDE.
I tried to put the flash plugins under /opt/netscape/plugins then move it to
$HOME/.netscape/plugins. Still no sound.
The only time that Flash-Player 5 will work on my Netscape 4.76 or 6.01 under
Redhat 7.0 was under Gnome.
I am going back to Flash-Player 4. I wrote to Macromedia about the problem I
have with Flash-Player 5 several weeks ago, so far no response.
Gerd Jungbluth wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> I just downloaded the latest version of Flash-Player for Linux (5.0r47) and
> installed it on my Linux boxes. Unfortunately it works on SuSE Linux 7.0,
> but not on 7.1 :-( Netscape as well as Konqueror crash when loading the
> plugin.
> Did anyone experience the same problem? Any suggestions?
>
> Greetings
>
> Gerd
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From: "Cjv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux partitioning question
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:52:12 -0800
> >Floyd, If I were to do a fresh install then, how many original
> >partitions do you suggest I create? Then how would I use
> >symlinks (as you describe)? Would this approach be harder to
> >restore if one of the partitions became unstable?
>
> It is very difficult for me to suggest what would be best for
> you! It might be that for you, one big partition actually is
> the best. Certainly if you want to learn "proper" (whatever
> that is) UNIX systems administration you will want a number of
> "unnecessary" partitions. You might want two or more root
> partitions, each with different distributions on them, as an
> example.
>
> Personally, I would _at least_ want a separate /, /boot, /var
> and some number of other miscellaneous partitions that I usually
> mount on /u1, /u2, /u3, etc. (Note there is no separate /usr
> partition listed, though usually I do like a separate /usr
> partition too. I also like a separate /usr/local.) I almost
> always make /home a symlink to a directory on a /u* partition.
> (I also like to have at least 2 swap partitions, each on a
> different disk...)
>
> If you have a backup system that is restricted in size, it is
> very handy to limit partitions such as /home to some size that
> allows the entire partition to fit on one tape.
>
> Symlinks are handy when you discover, six months after you did
> an install, that your 500Mb /usr partition just isn't large
> enough. There is no need to re-partition the disk in order to
> have more room to add new software. If the disk itself is too
> small, just add another disk. But whether another disk is added
> or whether all the extra space on the existing disk is in the
> wrong partition makes little difference. The point is you can
> use symlinks rather than go through the pain of re-partitioning
> the disk.
Actually Ive done about 10 installations so far, and Im just trying to
discover new options, so Im more interested in what might be 'right for me'
down the road, or in certain circumstances. I think Im mainly interested
because I dont fully understand how to backup/restore , and so last time I
restored my entire /etc directory over the newly installed /etc directory
and was lucky enough to remember my old passwords. I had to reconfiggure
everything, basically I screwed the job up.
So, I appreciate the information as Im sure it will help me later on. Thanks
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:17:04 GMT
Peter Hayes writes:
> The Bower birds. Fascinating. But isn't it just a very exaggerated mating
> ritual carried on by instinct rather than conscious artistic input?
Using the same techniques as are used to observe and analyze the behavior
of the bower birds, demonstrate the existence of "conscious artistic
input".
> I thought cave art showed spirituality in the only language they could
> express themselves in, but maybe I'm wrong.
Define spirituality in the same terms and context as you use to define
"mating ritual carried on by instinct". Demonstrate that it exists.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Clone an Linux machine (how)?
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:57:56 GMT
1) See http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html
or
2) Who parted? :) Get "parted" from www.gnu.org
NAME
GNU Parted - a partition manipulation program
SYNOPSIS
parted [options] [device [command [options]]]
DESCRIPTION
This manual page documents briefly the parted command. Complete
documenta
tion is distributed with the package.
parted is a disk partitioning and partition resizing program. It
allows you
to create, destroy, resize, move and copy ext2, FAT and FAT32
partitions.
This is useful for creating space for new operating systems,
reorganising
disk usage, and copying data to new hard disks.
Eugene Grayver wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a linux box (2cpu) setup just the way I like it. I have just got
> another box and would like to add it to the network. I would like to have
> everything the same (except for the IP and hostname). What is the best
> way to do this copy? Note that the new machine comes completely empty.
> The existing machine has a CDR, and the / partition is probably small
> enough to fit on it, if compressed. (BTW, we are running RH7, and I have
> the RH7 bootable CD).
>
> Thanks,
> Eugene
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Regular Expression Syntax Limitation?
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:07:19 +1300
Hi all,
I've been trying to use grep to filter a file whenever it says Copyright
[some name other than Microsoft].
I thought this expression syntax might be appropriate:
'opyright.*[^M][^i][^c][^r][^o][^s][^o][^f][^t]'
However this still finds strings that are Copyright ... Microsoft (e.g.
Copyright (c) 1997 - 1999 Microsoft Corporation). This makes sense
because, for example, " (c) 1997" doesn't match "Microsoft".
Any advice about how to approach this situation differently?
Many thanks,
Adam
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hylafax
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:07:17 -0500
Hi,
I am looking for tutorial / explicit instructions to perform
simple fax functions, like receiving faxes and sending faxes
and viewing faxes.
I have read the HylaFAX Howto and it doesn't really tell how
to use it. It basically tells how to set it up. Also the other doc
on their site is also about setting it up basically and not
using it for simple purposes.
It seems complicated to set it up with all the options
Thanks
Mike
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From: Chris Czeyka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie: Best information channels...
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:25:12 +0900
Short and philosophical question:
What are your best and quickest information channel to get problems quickly
solved?
okay.. this newsgroup.. of course.
How about IRC or other good Internet discussion boards?
just curious,
best regards,
Chris
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From: Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:01:20 -0500
Robert Heller wrote:
> Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> In a message on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:56:05 -0500, wrote :
>
> G> Jeff Roediger wrote:
> G>
> G>
> G> > Brian
> G> > You wont find anything like FP on linux or freeBSD.
> G> > There are programs like Bluefish that are out there. But you do need
> to G> > know html.
> G> > but just about any text editor will do.
> G> > jeff
> G>
> G> Yes, I finally figured this out although I settled on QUANTA2 which at
> G> least makes an attempt to be for those of us who are not programmers.
> With G> it I believe I can muddle my way though the site update.
> G>
> G> Thanks. I just didn't want to have to install a text editor, learn how
> to
> G> use it, install an ftp program, learn how to use it. Linux is
> wonderful G> but sometimes trying to get any work done is a bear.
> G>
> G> For example, I wanted to change my logo so I decided to install the
> GIMP.
> G> 7 meg rpm download. My package amanger complains that it won't handle
> G> anthing with major number => 3. Downloaded 3 new versions of RPM to no
> G> avail Now in the process of downloading theGimp sources 12 megs. No
> doubt G> when I try to compile it, something or other will be missing and
> I'll spend G> more time plinking around.
> G>
> G> There's something to be said for just going down to the Office Depot
> and G> buying a program in a box.
>
> What Linux distro did you install ?!? GIMP is included in RedHat 5.2
> through 6.2 (Don't know about RH 7.x).
eDesktop 2.4
--
thanks....Brian
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:16:48 +0800
From: Carfield Yim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem of ssh connection
I have set up an ssh server at home, and I can connect to it in most
place. However, the machine in my office which connect to internet
through NAT with internal IP can't connect to it, why? How can I set
sshd to accept this kind of connection?
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:19:49 +0800
From: Carfield Yim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem of iptables -- Can't load modules
> You are trying to load a module that doesn't exist.
>
> $ ls /lib/modules/2.4.2/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter
> ip_conntrack.o ipt_MARK.o ipt_limit.o ipt_tos.o
> ip_conntrack_ftp.o ipt_MASQUERADE.o ipt_mac.o ipt_unclean.o
> ip_nat_ftp.o ipt_REDIRECT.o ipt_mark.o iptable_filter.o
> ip_tables.o ipt_REJECT.o ipt_multiport.o iptable_mangle.o
> ipt_LOG.o ipt_TOS.o ipt_state.o iptable_nat.o
>
You mean I should load ip_tables ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 03:14:46 GMT
Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thanks. I just didn't want to have to install a text editor, learn
> how to use it, install an ftp program, learn how to use it. Linux
> is wonderful but sometimes trying to get any work done is a bear.
Ah, but once you have learned these things, they can be used for a
vast and diverse set of purposes.
- Once you know how to use that text editor, you can edit web pages,
system configuration, text documents, all sorts of stuff.
- Learn to use the FTP client once, and you can use that knowledge on
pretty any platform other than Macintosh. I knew how to use FTP a
dozen years ago, and it Really Hasn't Changed.
In contrast, if you grab yourself some latest and prettiest GUIed FTP
package, consider it a _given_ that you'll have to forget it all and
start over when someone writes a new one next year.
> For example, I wanted to change my logo so I decided to install the
> GIMP. 7 meg rpm download. My package amanger complains that it
> won't handle anthing with major number => 3. Downloaded 3 new
> versions of RPM to no avail Now in the process of downloading
> theGimp sources 12 megs. No doubt when I try to compile it,
> something or other will be missing and I'll spend more time plinking
> around.
> There's something to be said for just going down to the Office Depot
> and buying a program in a box.
None of what you have described has the slightest thing to do with A
Popular Operating System Kernel.
The things that you're comparing [e.g. - GIMP] are likely considerably
more complicated than an operating system kernel, and I'd hardly
commend GIMP to a new user any more than I'd commend a Sun Enterprise
Server to someone that "thinks they might want to set up a web site"
or an IBM 3090 system running MVS to someone that "thinks they might
want a database."
There _is_ work ongoing to try to resolve some of the "complexity of
installing complex applications" issue; the Debian "apt-get" system
represents one of the more mature solutions, with others oriented
towards RPMs under construction.
--
(reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.mca@" "enworbbc"))
http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/
>Ever heard of .cshrc?
That's a city in Bosnia. Right?
(Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands.)
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:19:52 -0800
From: Noah Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bash: scp: command not found (but...)
First, it is installed and in my path because it runs!
I have the key of the client in authorized_keys on the server....
I can connect with ssh....
when I run scp (ie scp test 192.168.0.2:/home) I get asked for my key,
which I give....then I get the subject as an error message......then I
go "SAY WHAT?!? @#@!" I looked at scp with less, it IS a binary.......
This is the latest openssh as of Tuesday.....
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From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux partitioning question
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 03:46:07 GMT
> >cp -av . /var/tmp # Are you using the '.' as a wildcard? Im wondering why
> not an '*'
"copy preserving all file attributes and showing all files as they're
copied, everything in the current directory (.) to /var/tmp"
'cp * /var/tmp' would miss links, files starting with '.', sockets,
fifo's and other special file types. The -a option makes an exact copy
including subdirectories, permissions, dates & times.
> > ln -s /var/tmp # I thought that a symbolic link had to be named. If it
> doesnt, then how do programs (for example) that
> normally would write to the /tmp directory be able to find it?
"create a soft link (-s) to A (/var/tmp) named B but if B isn't given,
use the last part of A (tmp) as the name"
> ls -l link
ls: link: No such file or directory
> ln -s /var/link
> ls -l link
lrwxrwxrwx 1 tim tim 9 Feb 28 19:30 link ->
/var/link
> rm link
> ln -s /var/link link
> ls -l link
lrwxrwxrwx 1 tim tim 9 Feb 28 19:31 link ->
/var/link
> As you can see , I dont have any Unix background, and Im just trying to
> learn about things (like this) that I havent come across
> in any of the things I've been reading.
That's why I gave a step by step way do to it. We all started from
zero.
--
timothymoore
bigfoot
com
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From: Manoj K Krishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Pipes
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:45:01 -0600
Hi,
How to use pipes to communicate between tow child processes of a parent
process. I would be glad if you explain briefly witha psuedocode.
Thanks in advance,
-Manoj.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Help w/ ne.o module
Date: 1 Mar 2001 03:37:02 GMT
The depmod module gives out:
NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x280:<6>
(cdl:ne.o)NE2000 found at address 0x280, using IRQ 11.
ne.c: No NE*000 card found at i/o = 0x280
I am checking the source from a 2.2.13 that I have and the first part of
the messages seem to be telling me that it DID find my ISA card, but why
did it insist on searching for a PCI card as well? I don't know c at all,
but is there a way to tell it to stop once the ISA card was detected? Will
setting the value outside of the program e.g. a shell or global variable
make it skip the second part?
TIA
--
jazz
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: bash: scp: command not found (but...)
Date: 1 Mar 2001 03:56:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:19:52 -0800 Noah Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I have the key of the client in authorized_keys on the server....
>I can connect with ssh....
>when I run scp (ie scp test 192.168.0.2:/home) I get asked for my key,
>which I give....then I get the subject as an error message......then I
>go "SAY WHAT?!? @#@!" I looked at scp with less, it IS a binary.......
It sounds as if *scp itself* is giving you that error. Try running
it within strace and see what it depends on. ("man strace" might be
a good thing to look at.)
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>
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