Dear Chris Wilke, I don't know if a modern facsimile edition has been published: I obtained a microfilm about from the Nationalbibliothek Wien some 20 years ago. The MS is mostly in a single scribal hand for 11 course Dm lute and most probably dates from around 1700 with a suite by Ginter in another (later?) hand. The theorbo pieces (in the first lute hand) are of particular interest as preserving some tiorba solos of the early 18thC. MH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martyn, Thanks for your insight and observations. How might one go about getting a copy of the Wien MS? Has it been published, or is a trip to Vienna in order? Chris --- Martyn Hodgson wrote: > > > Martyn Hodgson wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:50:59 +0000 (GMT) > From: Martyn Hodgson > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Hurel Symbol? and > 'Nationalbibliothek in Wien' MS 17.706 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear Chris Wilke, > > The Gigue on f. 4v is particularly well marked up > with these dashes. Clearly it's not indicating a > tenuto since these are marked differently in the MS > which also is pretty lavish with the use of the x > the , and the u signs so it's not these either. > It's not vibrato since it occurs on open and stopped > notes. As you say, it's probably not RH fingering > either since the thumb and first and second finger > signs are used in the MS; it cld, I suppose, be > third finger but this seems so perverse and, of > course, contray to what we know of the expected > fingering of the day. I've always assumed it was to > mark musical emphasis which might conceivably be > missed (the MS is very well marked up) and thus show > 'voice' entries. > > > What I think are even more problematical, are the > numbers (ie a '2' or a '3') appearing under some > chords at the bottom of page 90 (179) in the theorbo > pieces at the back of Wien MS17.706. At first > glance one might say these are simply shorthand for > bass course tablature, but the MS uses the usual > strokes (ie a /a //a ///a 4 5 6 7) to indicate > these; is it the number of times the chord is > repeated? - but in the context of the particular > chord progressions where it appears this makes > little sense; is it how the chord is to be broken? > but the relevant chords have varying numbers of > notes (ranging from three to 5) and he also uses the > established ://: sign for arpeggiation; is it some > LH fingering? - but in the context this again makes > no sense. > > Like the Hurel MS markings, I'm not aware that > thie Vienna MS oddity has been resolved > > MH > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Luters, > > > I've been playing through some theorbo pieces by > Charles Hurel from the La Balme manuscript (Pierpont > library, Minkoff print). I am troubled by the > frequency with which a certain symbol appears, > however. > > It is a small dash, parallel to the tab lines (-) > which is drawn under quite a few of the letters. All > of the other usual French ornament signs for > mordents, > appoggiaturas, and vibrato are used, so its not one > of > these. I thought perhaps fingering, but both left > and > right hand fingering are notated otherwise. > (Somtimes > the dash is included along with a fingering mark, > too.) I've also ruled it out as an articulation > marking since it is used in places in which either > long or short would make no musical sense. > > I've shown it to Nigel North and even he seemed > stumped. Our quick working hypothesis that the dash > indicated certain notes to be held works in most > cases, but on further inspection, is clearly > incorrect > in many others. At any rate the dash shows up with a > consistency that makes me think it represents > something important. Any takers? > > > Chris > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > --------------------------------- > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've > developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse > thousands of new and used cars online search now > --------------------------------- > > -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos --
