> I'm not sure why Roman thinks "little death" is an Italian concept.
> English literature through most of the 17th century is rife with it.
It certainly originated in Italy, as most good things do.

>
>> It has to judged on a case by case basis.
>
> Of course.
And that is my point, to avoid blancket statements that amounted to "every 
time death is mentioned it referred to that copulatory objective".
RT

>
>> It would ludicrous to take JD's
>> "... down, down down fall, down, but arise I never shall!" as a sign of
>> "erectyledisfunzione"  (antispam spelling).
>
> But "Sorrow, Stay" does not mention death:
>
>       Sorrow stay, lend true repentant teares,
>       To a woefull wretched wight,
>       Hence dispair with thy tormenting feares:
>       O doe not my poor heart affright,
>       Pitty, help now or neuer,
>       Mark me not to endlesse paine,
>       Alas I am condemned euer,
>       No hope, no help there doth remain,
>       But down, down, down, down I fall,
>       Down and arise I never shall.
>
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