Indeed. "every imaginable soloist" was, of course, simple exaggeration for dramatic effect. I have a pretty substantial imagination, and there are a lot of instrument types out there.
Be well, Eugene From: Arthur Ness [mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:47 PM To: Braig, Eugene; Lute List Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi Dear Eugene, I did not say RV 532 (G major) and RV 558 (C major) are the same work. The ISMLP editor alleges a second version of RV 532. Take a look at his/her entries for RV 532 and scroll down to the red band. There the ISMLP editor explains that RV 532 appears with an "alternate title," citing H. C. Robbins Landon, Vivaldi: Voice of the Baroque (Chicago, 1996), page 72. Here is what R Landon wrote: "Everyone has supposed that Marcello was lampooning Vivaldi's extravagantly orchestrated concertos, such as the 'Concerto con Due Flauti, Due Teorbi, Due Mandolini, Due Salmo, Due Violini in Tromba Marina et un Violoncello' (RV 532), performed at the Piet`a . . . in 1740." Is Robbins Landon confused? RV 558 also uses pairs of flauti, teorbi, mandolini, salme, violini in tromba marina and a 'cello. Hardly "every imaginable solist," as you suggest (cf. RV 555). Vivaldi also composed three concertos for violino in tromba marina (RV 211, 311 and 313). This fiddle-like instrument, which was popular at the Piet`a, has three strings tied to a floating bridge, which produces a raspy sound according to Michael Talbot. There are several articles detailing with Vivaldi's use of "exotic" musical instruments. Check JSTOR. ajn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Lute List" <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi > FYI, the concerto in G for two mandolins (RV 532) is a different work than the truly "grosso" grosso in C naming every imaginable soloist (RV 558). > > Best, > Eugene > > -----Original Message----- > From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[4]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Arthur Ness > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:15 PM > To: Mayes, Joseph; Lute List > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi > > It's available in the International Music Library Project (EU): > > [5]http://imslp.org/index.php?titleEtegory:Vivaldi%2C%20Antonio&from=C > > [6]http://imslp.eu/download.php?file=files/imglnks/euimg/8/81/IMSLP1349 24-PMLP237520-Vivaldi_Concerto_2mandolins_RV532.pdf > > This score is clearer and has PARTS: > > [7]http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP288061-PMLP23752 0-Concerto-2Bandolins.pdf > > But notice the original instrumentation includes 2 "Salmo" (=chalumeaux), > 2 theorbos and the violins are designated "violini in tromba marina." (See the red stripe.) The comment that the Malipiero score is "urtext" is misuse of the term! > > I have never discovered convincing explanation about what "violini in tromba marina" are. I know what a tromba marina is, but violini? The best explanation is that one plays the notes in harmonics. In the solo sections??? Any other explanation? I don't buy the explanation by <????> that they are to be played on board a ship.<g> > > Both are the Malipiero edition and I didn't see figures. But he has realized the continuo in the organ part and that will assist to determine the harmonies. Malipiero, the usual "Collected Edition" of Vivaldi's instrumental works, is "over edited" in my opinion. In this case, given the original intrumentation, it is "under-edited."<g> > > Best wishes to you and Kathleen, > > Arthur > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mayes, Joseph" <[8]ma...@rowan.edu> > To: "G. Crona" <[9]kalei...@gmail.com>; "Lutelist" <[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:06 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Vivaldi > > >> Two of my students are playing the G major concerto for two mandolins. >> They'd like me to play continuo on my archlute. Does anyone know where a >> bass part (with or without figures) could be obtained? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joseph Mayes >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > -- References 1. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://imslp.org/index.php?title%C3%8Ategory:Vivaldi%2C%20Antonio&from=C 6. http://imslp.eu/download.php?file=files/imglnks/euimg/8/81/IMSLP134924-PMLP237520-Vivaldi_Concerto_2mandolins_RV532.pdf 7. http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP288061-PMLP237520-Concerto-2Bandolins.pdf 8. mailto:ma...@rowan.edu 9. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 10. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
