Dear Alain, That looks terrific! Yes, that's it! Great!
Mathias -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Alain Veylit Gesendet: Montag, 29. Mai 2017 21:44 An: Mathias Rösel; 'Lute net' Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tablature d'angelique See http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/showcase/preview/232 for Fandango support of Angelique tablature - this is based on the Monin book (the first piece...). If someone needs the other styles of diapason notation for the Angelique, they should ask for it specifically... The Angelique implementation will not be available until the next release of the software at some point within the coming 10 days. Matthias, this could give you a little bit of time to ask for adjustments - I included the facsimile of the transcribed piece in the PDF. Happy memorial day, Alain On 05/27/2017 10:11 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: > Hi Alain, > > Yes, there are two major manuscript sources and one print available online. > The manuscript sources are:nn > > 1. The anonymous tablature for the angélique A 3.329, preserved in the > Moravian museum in Brno (Smetanova 14, 602 00 Brno): > http://www.manuscriptorium.com/apps/index.php?envLang=en#search > (search word: tabulatura angeliku) > > 2. Marguerite Monin's lute book. Folios 1r to 23v contain music for the > angélique. > http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503663g > > The print is Jakob Kremberg's Musicalische Gemüths-Ergötzung (Dresde, 1689): > http://imslp.org/wiki/Musicalische_Gem%C3%BCths-Erg%C3%B6tzung_(Kremberg,_Jakob) > – with his exceptional characters for the bass courses. > > Mathias > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag von Alain Veylit > Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Mai 2017 18:31 > An: 'Lute net' > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature > > Thank you Mathias for this useful detail, > > Except for the 17th string, it should be fairly easy to implement - one last > request if you can, do you happen to have a link handy to a digital facsimile > of angelique tablature? If not, I'll do my own digging, but you are more > knowledgeable than I am and might pick a better sample for checking purposes. > > Alain > > > On 05/27/2017 03:28 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: >> Hi Alain, >> the angélique is strung with 16 single strings. Ten are on the fretboard and >> six are bourdons. The pitches are as follows: >> >> 1st = e5 >> 2nd = d5 >> 3rd = c5 >> 4th = b4 >> 5th = a4 >> 6th = g4 >> 7th = f4 >> 8th = e4 >> 9th = d4 >> 10th = c4 >> 11th = b3 >> 12th = a3 >> 13th = g3 >> 14th = f3 >> 15th = e3 >> 16th = c3 >> >> The strings are retuned as from the 4th to the 15th courses according to >> key. The 16th string is sometimes retuned to D or Bb respectively, according >> to key, but more often than not stays at C. >> >> The characters for the first six courses are the same as in lute tablature. >> Angélique tablature has six lines and rhythm signs just like baroque lute >> tablature. The characters for the courses below the staff are as follows: >> >> 7th = a >> 8th = _a_ (underlined) >> 9th = /a >> 10th = //a >> 11th = ///a >> 12th = ////a >> 13th = /////a >> 14th = 4 >> 15th = 5 >> 16th = 6 >> >> The 7th to 10th courses, too, are frequently fretted up to the 4th fret, so >> characters a to e are required for them. The 11th to 16th courses are not >> fretted. >> >> One single manuscript (Schwerin 640) requires a 17th string so that one may >> have D and C at the same time. That manuscript shows the Arabic numerals 7 >> to 17 for the bass courses below the staff instead of lute tablature >> characters. >> >> Another exceptional source (Jakob Kremberg, 40 airs, Dresde 1689) shows the >> following characters for the bass courses below the staff: >> >> 7th = a >> 8th = _a_ (underlined) >> 9th = /a >> 10th = //a >> 11th = ///a >> 12th = 4 >> 13th = 5 >> 14th = 6 >> 15th = 7 >> 16th = 8 >> >> Mathias >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Alain Veylit [mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Mai 2017 09:29 >> An: Mathias Rösel >> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature >> >> Hi Mathias, >> >> Sounds feasible - but my German is rusty ... what was the tuning of the >> angelique and what is the meaning of the underlined a and /////a? I would >> have jumped to the conclusion that ////a was equivalent to a "4" >> diapason in lute tablature, but you give 5 slashes (not 4): /////a. >> Sorry for my ignorance, I hope you can help me fill up the gaps. >> >> I have seen some facsimiles of music for the angelique, but thought it was >> very much the same as tablature for lute and did not really research that >> topic further. >> >> Alain >> >> >> >> On 05/26/2017 02:56 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote: >>> Organ tablature was in use for any instrument and even for singers, as it >>> is a pitch notation. >>> >>> It may be much easier to expand lute tablature to the much desired >>> tablature for the angélique (see >>> http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Instrumente/Angelique/Angelique.htm >>> l >>>> Notation der Basschöre), for which not more than two additional >>> characters are required: _a_ (underlined) and /////a >>> >>> Mathias >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im >>> Auftrag von Alain Veylit >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Mai 2017 20:20 >>> An: Lute net >>> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature >>> >>> I started implementing keyboard tablature in my software Fandango, >>> but the need is so little and editing so complicated that I did not >>> really complete it fully. German Keyboard tab is like German tab in >>> that groups of notes hang from the top line, but letters indicate >>> pitch rather than fret position, using the A-H alphabetical sequence. >>> Additionally, there are two types of rhythm flags: one at the top >>> similar to lute tablature flags, and individual flags for notes >>> within a chord indicating how long that specific note is sustained. >>> Tablature was usually reserved for the left hand, while the top part >>> was in regular notation (as shown in the video). Various systems >>> were used to indicate which octave the note belonged to: A, a, a' or >>> ''a, or lines over the note. The system is logically simple but a >>> real challenge to read, particularly when you add messy hand-writing >>> using old German characters... (Buxtehude comes to mind) >>> >>> I thinks is the same system was used for harp tablature - as in the ap Huw >>> MS - the main advantage being to indicate which note is played with which >>> hand. >>> >>> For another mixed system notation/tablature, see modern accordion >>> tablature: >>> http://www.accordeondiatonique.fr/comment-lire-une-tablature-accorde >>> o >>> n >>> -diatonique/ >>> >>> Spanish keyboard tablature was completely different if I recall... >>> using numbers corresponding to the keys on the keyboard. See >>> http://www.organ.byu.edu/Bush_Library/Bush%20Files/Buxheimer%20Orgel >>> b >>> u >>> ch/Tablature%20notes.pdf >>> >>> A fascinating and very arcane subject. I am not sure what the advantage of >>> a-h notation for the left hand may have been, but that system did survive >>> for a couple centuries... Quicker to jot down perhaps? >>> >>> Alain >>> >>> >>> On 05/26/2017 06:03 AM, keith barnhart wrote: >>>> Hello Rainer, >>>> >>>> I read German lute tab but not keyboard (yet!). I am fascinated by >>>> the >>>> system for sure although it is very hard to understand. Here is a >>>> short >>>> primer video that I found which doesn't explain in full but might >>>> start >>>> to help. >>>> >>>> >>>> [1]https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/from-ink-to-sound/1/steps/51 >>>> 1 >>>> 9 >>>> 3 >>>> >>>> Also, I would be happy to take a swing at a small piece to get some >>>> experience working in it if you want. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Keith >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:09 AM Rainer >>>> <[2]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear lute netters, >>>> I would like to check a concordance which is in (shudder) German >>>> keyboard tablature. >>>> Can anybody read it? >>>> Rainer >>>> PS >>>> I have everything as digital facsimile >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Keith Barnhart >>>> Little Piggy Productions LLC >>>> [4]little-piggy.com >>>> 303-917-4302 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> References >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/from-ink-to-sound/1/steps/51193 >>>> 2. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de >>>> 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> 4. http://little-piggy.com/ >>>> >>> >> > > >
