Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off the same MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may not be a second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in some other random MS. I we ignore the #º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all right to my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely different... Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a second part. Perhaps it would have similar notations to indicate missing bars, meant to be played from the version in Eysert. Have you seen notations like this anywhere else in the lute literature? I haven't. The numbers above the staff I have seen have been numbers for variations ( as in [1]V Galilei's infamous Romanesca variations, where they go up to 100) or above the repeat double bar at the end of a repeated section to say how many times it is repeated (usually 2, but I have seen 3). --Sarge
On 9/9/2020 11:48, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: The Secunda pars" is "Seconda Parte" of Battaglia by Orazio Vecchi. See page 25: [2]http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP 145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf Also see: [3]https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png I guess the second choir's part is not in the same lute book. It would not make sense to have it there anyway if the intabulation was meant to be played by two lutenists. Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 9.9.2020 klo 21.18: Hmmm. I don't see another version of the Battaglia. There is a Part 1 (same file), which has 72 bars, where part 2 has 55. If we add a total of 30 interpolated bars to part 2, we get 85 bars, so the bar numbers still wouldn't fit between the two parts, and I have not tried to see if the harmonies would fit if I tried combining the two parts as a duet. The source doesn't specify what the "Secunda pars" on f. 62v is a part 2 of, but it seems to be a battle type piece, so it's logical to include it as Part 2 of the Bataglia on ff. 65v-66. The Galliarda Graff vonn Schwartzenburg at the bottom of f.66 seems to be a "filler" between the two parts, unrelated to them. I guess paper was at a premium, so there was a tendency to fill in any blanks. To me, then, it's still a mystery. --Sarge On 9/8/2020 11:07, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: They seem to indicate the duration of rests. In this case there are no red notes. I wonder if there is a intabulation of the second choir's part elsewhere in the manuscript. See: [1][4]https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 8.9.2020 klo 18.47: After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there are numbers, like #̡̉6, #̡̉13, etc.̉ Can anyone help me figure out what this might mean? --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([[5]2]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website:[3][6]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([[8]5]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [6][9]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. [10]https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 2. [11]mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 3. [12]http://www.gerbode.net/ 4. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. [14]mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 6. [15]http://www.gerbode.net/ -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([16]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [17]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. http://gerbode.net/sources/GalileiV/libro_d_intavolatura_di_liuto_1584/v1/romanesca_11_Fm_with_100_parts/pdf/ 2. http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf 3. https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png 4. https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 5. mailto:2]sa...@gerbode.net 6. http://www.gerbode.net/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. mailto:5]sa...@gerbode.net 9. http://www.gerbode.net/ 10. https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 11. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 12. http://www.gerbode.net/ 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 14. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 15. http://www.gerbode.net/ 16. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 17. http://www.gerbode.net/