Sounds about right I deal with tables all the time with safari and voice over. Never on other platforms unless I have to, and I just visualize those as I had to train myself how to do that because of a class lol! I guess all you can do is just imagine the space the table takes up on a piece of paper or vertically on a screen and imagine it expanding and shrinking to fi the table row and column's need. That probably does not make sense but the 3 years I've been using a mac this is what I've had to do and it works, but you will find your own way of thinking of these tables.
Take care. On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:08 PM, David Griffith <d.griff...@btinternet.com> wrote: > I think that probably what you may be experiencing is a non uniform table. > As far as I am aware voiceover does not announce a non unified table layout > to alert you to this problem. > The non unified table layout will have varying columns and row arrangements > throughout the table. Row one may have 3 columns and row 2 may have 6 > columns for example. > So when coordinates are read outs as you move through the table this may > create a result which may not be easy to visualise without sight. > A solution may be to decrease Voiceover verbosity so that coordinates are > not read out which may make the table slightly more comprehensible. > > Mac OS is generally pretty dreadful at handling tables but in this instance > Windows Screenreaders are little better though they will within documents > indicate if a table is non uniform. The solution generally on other > platforms is to copy the table off the web to a document format in which > the table can be edited so that it becomes a regular uniform table . This is > impossible to achieve in Mac Os Word Processors but may be possible in a > Numbers or tables Spreadsheet. As I never bother trying to handle tables > under Mac OS I will have to defer to other people's experience here as to > whether this is a feasible work around. It is definitely a job which it is > useful to have sighted support for. I used to use my DSA support for these > sorts of problematic tables. > > David Griffith > Unfortunately on all platforms, I needed to use sighted support if I > wanted important table information.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris H > Sent: 30 July 2013 21:36 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Reading tables in Safari > > Andy, I have the same problem. Any help greatly appreciated. > > On 30/07/2013 20:35, Andy Collins wrote: >> Hi all - >> >> When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things > don't read in a way that makes much sense. >> >> If I arrow down, VO announces "ro 4," and the next down arrow will say >> "row 7," and down again will say "row 5." so clearly, isn't really >> helping me see which rows go with which columns. 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