Donna,
I got the 8 plus after 5 years with the 5. Its truly s major step up. I would not concern myself with what might happen down the road. Get the 8 and take it one day at a time. There is simply too much going on in the world, we should not spend time worrying about the future.

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On 9/1/2018 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi Shawn,

You know, getting an iPhone 8 is one of the options I've been considering.  My fear is that it will just become too slow to use within a year or so.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 1, 2018, at 3:32 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Well I for one am not about to give up my Apple products and go to the darkside. I bought my new Mac this past March and just recently purchased an iPhone 8 and they're both working great. As for the iPhone, I'm going to keep this 8 until they decide to stop supporting it. I'm also reluctant to switch to Face ID but not because of what's been said on here. I have no problems swiping up to go home or to use Face ID to unlock the phone. What's really deterring me is the method to use Apple Pay. I use Apple Pay almost everywhere except for Walmart of course who still uses old and obsolete methods for payment. It's nice to just point my phone at the debit machine and hold my finger on the Touch ID sensor to make my purchase. With face ID it sounds like you have to point the phone at the machine, point it at your face, then point it back at the machine and double press the side button It would be nice if Apple could eliminate some of these steps. Maybe when they stop supporting the iPhone 8 hopefully Apple Pay will be quicker than it is now. If not, I guess I'll just have to persevere.

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P.S. On the 2017 MacBook Air, there's still a startup chime. Weird how they discontinued it for one computer and not on another.

On Sep 1, 2018, at 1:15 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

According to the rumours, Apple will be removing touch ID from all the new devices.

It is important to note: Apple has been on a quest to remove all buttons, switches, and so forth for several years, so I expect these rumours are accurate.

I do not remember the spelling of the Chinese company, but their new flagship phone has Apple's 3D Face ID, and the touchscreen embedded fingerprint sensor which Apple was reportedly rumoured to be experimenting with last year.

All the other Android Face ID systems are currently using 2D picture matching Face ID.

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On 1 Sep 2018, at 15:24, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:

Donna,

I couldn't agree with you more.

I’m hoping that Apple will, in fact, maintain some form of Touch ID.  I just can't imagine that they would completely eliminate such a trusted form of ID verification.

Of course, I said the same thing about removing the headphone jack and we all know how that turned out (smile).

Personally, I have absolutely no desire to use Face ID.

Let's just wait and see what happens on September 12th, okay?

By the way, it is for this and other reasons why I continue to purchase and use Android devices; you know, just in case Apple takes this big brother thing, a little too far for my tastes (smile).

Mark

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Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes

You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with Apple.  I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an option for a faster iPhone 8.  Face ID sucks.  It takes significantly longer to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky.  I'm feeling resentful that Apple is trying to force me into a technology that I have tried, and do not like.  I don't want Face ID.  I don't need a ginormous screen.  I sure as h*** don't need three cameras.  I'm starting to wonder if my next phone will be a cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do the rest from my Mac.  I don't want some giant tech company to dictate how I will use technology.  If Apple wants to continue to promote face recognition to the exclusion of more convenient technologies, that's their prerogative.  But they should have kept a touch option available for those of us who tried face ID and know it sucks.  And as for the new flick up for home?  It sucks, too.  Being able to quickly press a home button--be it actual or virtual--was much more efficient.  My only power--small though it may be--is my purchasing power.  And I am really wondering if my next phone will be a non-Apple product.

I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I feel it's all part of the same thing.  Why not leave the chime enabled, or at least make it an option for those who want it?  Why should Apple be deciding this for us?  They seem to want to make an argument that they are not big-brotherish, but actually, they're no better than the rest.
Donna

On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Stupid that they removed it.

On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi shaun,

Yeah the line in the web page details that say:
Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.”
Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore.

Oh well, other people can keep trying.

From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
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Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes

There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts
that it doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself.

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg
<and...@pipkrokodil.se <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se><mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
Found this link.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-ne
w-macbook-pros.2011044/
Try that and see if it helps.
/A

29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Hi Listers

Ok so I'm kind of getting  hacked off with the fact my new work Mac
Book Pro doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers
have done since long before I started using Mac products.

I've got VO starting at log in but when for some reason I need to
force restart for some unknown reason, if I use the power button to
turn off / on the machine I never know when it's restarting until it
starts talking to me, If I'm lucky enough for vo to still be
talking.I know this effects us all, But have we ever or has anyone
ever contacted Apple accessibility to explain that this chime at
start up would be really useful to us the sight impaired to know when
/ if our machines are starting up Or do in my case I just keep
thinking the batteries dead and put it on mains power when I don't
need to.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Regards

Slightly P'd off mac book pro user.

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