>>>>> "jam" == John A Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
jam> I have read many mailing lists as newsgroups on Gmane for jam> several years and have been unaware of missing anything jam> substantial from a subscribed list. You may not be missing anything, but I missed at least one of your posts, receiving Brad's reply to it almost 24 hours in advance of your post. Even today this is common for netnews. CC> I always wondered how people could possibly post a question CC> that had been beated to death on a list all day, and I'm CC> starting to think newsgroup reading mode is the reason. jam> Lay it perhaps instead to the disappearance of the jam> conveniently searchable Gmane archive. Easy come, easy go. Gmane started its service for no apparent reason without notifying anyone, they stopped it for no apparent reason without notifying anyone. They have a history of being an attractive nuisance (publishing email addresses and other spam-facilitating activities). It's fundamentally irresponsible, but that is the way they operate. Feel free to rely on them if you judge it appropriate to do so. But don't attribute their unreliability to Mailman's maintainers and volunteers---it's inherent in the way Gmane is organized and operates. For what it's worth, although I don't use Gmane and consider their operation to be irresponsible, I'm moderately in favor of allowing them to gateway the Mailman lists for the convenience it apparently affords many users. I don't really have a problem with the irresponsibility as such---I'd better not, everything *I* do comes with NO WARRANTY attached! However, when I publish software, people who don't want to assume all risk of using it are free not to use it. Similarly, the Mailman list admins should be free not to use Gmane, or to require Gmane improvements as a condition of using Gmane, if they dislike the risks it involves for (some of) their subscribers more than they like the conveniences (for some other subscribers). The fact that Gmane *re*subscribed to Mailman lists in violation of both their own policy and a previous request to cease and desist speaks volumes for the risks and their lack of respect for others' privacy, IMHO. -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp