Answer I can provide that usefully add value are listed below: I actually precisely wrote what I did. I started reverse engineering how to solve the problem, using my other two preexisting lists. One was already 'public' (meaning browsable). Since I could delete the footer on that one without changing to browsable, I tried eliminating the footer on the other non-browsable list by changing it to browsable. That worked, but I couldn't do the same magic on the non-browsable list I wanted to change, apparently because of the same bug.
The fact that all three browsers installed on my PC demonstrate the same misbehaviour suggest it is indeed NOT a browser issue. You asked about how mailman is installed. This is a shared server running Plesk. I have the right to install my own applications that are available as installable packages. Once these are installed, I get nagged *frequently* about upgrading these packages I install to the most recent version. But mailman is part of the base package, so I never get invited to update that one. I have suggested to the service provider that they do this, but so far they're just thinking about it. They asked for access to the list so they could see the behavior themselves. To pick up on what Carl Zwanzig wrote and synthesize it with what you wrote, the bug is probably in the code implementing the actions of the 'Submit my changes' button. I suppose that would be the next place to look, but I thought that, since this problem had been around so long, someone would know a workaround that would save me an extended session of webpage archaeology. Heck, if I knew where the footer data was stored, I'd be happy to go in and edit the file by hand, the web page be damned. I just want to get this delivered and out of the way. Watch it probably be in some DB for which there was never any compelling need. Ch. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2023 22:39 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.15 doesn't allow admin changes on private lists On 7/5/23 1:27 AM, Charles Buckley wrote: > > I experimented with this a bit, and found that I could eliminate the footer > on my public (browsable) list on the same server. So I tried converting my > other private (non-browsable) list to be browsable, at which point I could > eliminate the footer, and then switch the list back to being non-browsable. You said in a reply that on this list you actually needed to set the list `public` before you could successfully change msg_footer. > But once I tried to implement the workaround on the non-browsable list I > wanted to change, I got the same defective behaviour when trying to switch > the list to be browsable -- I would get redirected to the admin login page > for the list in question, log in successfully, only to come back and find > myself on the same privacy page, with no changes having been made. This is quit strange. The behavior you observe is a result of your login cookie being lost. I could conjecture that there's something in the browser that's not saving the cookie when this list's name is in the URL, but the fact that you can make some changes to the other list including switching it from private to public but can change msg_footer only when it's public belies that. > I have also posted this as a bug via the Mailman launchpad. This behaviour > appears to be browser-independent; I have tried it on Firefox, Chrome, and > Edge. More confirmation that it's not a browser issue. I have added a comment to your bug report to see this thread. Do you know how Mailman is installed on the server? Is it from source or a third party package? I can't see anything in the admin UI code that would effectively log you out upon submission of an update form, but this is what's happening. Either your login cookie is being removed or for some reason, not being saved. Normally, I would suspect the issues in the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030614>, but those normally affect all changes to all lists, so that may not be relevant here. -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: c...@buckley.ch ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
