Happy Mother's Day for all, After intervention of Paulo and David I need to clarify some points. There is no suspicion against TDF. We embrace the cause for seven months with great joy. TDF does not know the Brazilian community, only a few people (Claudio, Olivier, David). I assure you that the Brazilian Community is much larger than these three people, though I have the utmost respect for the work they have evolved and developed in favor of free software in Brazil and worldwide. If there is agreement on the question of domains I agree with David that must be met.
As you tend to be quite pragmatic, I'll try to explain the situation well in practice. What is the problem here? - Domain redirection: Is there an agreement? Who did? When? Who is failing? - This discussion arose after a question from Florian: Who translates Press Releases and how are they published in local communities? Replied on condition of community volunteer LibreOffice Brazil in the area of Communication. You say, Charles, you do not care about internal problems of the Brazilian community. However, the Brazilians who represent us in the TDF do not seem to talk. And I, Paulo, and all the other volunteers of this great Brazilian community has nothing to do with it. Regards, Luiz Oliveira > Hello, > > I'd like to add a little bit about that too, see below. > > 2011/5/8 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <webmas...@krackedpress.com >> On 05/07/2011 04:18 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote: >> >>> So, can anybody tell me why NA community can have libreoffice-na.orgdomain >>> *separated* from TDF hosts and brazilian community can't have >>> libreoffice.org.br domain? >>> >>> LibreOffice-NA.US -- not .ORG >> the .org.br domain is the exact same as the main one but with the country >> code - am I correct? >> They might feel that your are trying to take their domain over in your >> country, or something like that. >> I did not see the beginnings of this thread, but by your text, that is what >> your are implying. >> >> We are LibreOffice - North America - in the USA >> so our domain is that the same as but with the added country code. >> >> We started our project to be dedicated to our region and create a >> distribution DVD for that region. >> I do not think our domain is close enough for TDF to upset by us, I hope. >> >> I know one thing. When I "bought" a domain that was a .org and there was a >> .com with the same name, I added a link to the .com group stating who they >> were and that I was not them. My domain was for a non-profit listing while >> they were a "for profit", sort of, group. >> >> There are a lot of groups out there that have other groups that make their >> domain as close as possible to the original group's domain so they could >> "steal" viewers away for whatever reason. All of us are here to promote the >> same software for our different communities. We are not trying to "steal" >> people away from the other groups. >> >> To be honest, if your domain was LibreOffice-Brazil.org, then it would not >> be looking like it was the Brazilian language version of the TDF/LO site, >> which your domain looks like it could be. >> >> Could you use Colibri.org and also add .org.br? Then, for now, you could >> redirect your current .org.br domain to the new Colibri site. Later, >> after people get use to the new site's domain, you could phase it out. Also >> you could just ask a question on where the viewer wants to go, your site of >> the TDF/LO site. >> >> For me, your libreoffice.org.br is too close to the TDF/LO site's domain. >> That was one reason I opted for the .us domain ending instead of the .org >> one. It helped make our domain more different than the original one. >> >> Of course all this is my own opinion, and I was the one who paid for the NA >> domain. > > > Indeed, you make several good points above, and I'd like to add some more. > If one goes to the LibreOffice North America DVD project, one sees a website > dedicated to just that; and it does not attempt to replicate libreoffice.org. > On the contrary, they point to relevant links inside LibreOffice.org, uses > mailing lists here, explains what they do, have explained why they were > doing this website here, on this list and on others, what TDF is, etc. So I > think it's pretty clean and clear in that case. Luiz, Paulo, TDF has been > created by volunteers 7 months ago. The notion that somehow you guys have to > do something separate does not make any sense to me. It's not like if we > were a large corporation and that you would have suspicions about our > intention. If you had specific requirements I would have loved to hear about > them. I'm afraid I/we never heard about any of that. > > Best, > Charles. > > > > >> Just a simple question in order to understand the issue. >>> Tks and rgds >>> >>> 2011/5/7 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions< >>> webmas...@krackedpress.com >>> >>>> On 05/07/2011 10:56 AM, Luiz Oliveira wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> The Brazilian community has some different characteristics from other >>>> >>>>> communities around the world. We went through dramatic changes recently. >>>>> We >>>>> made many discussions on local listings. The NGO was extinguished. The >>>>> BrOffice brand has been disabled and LibreOffice replaced it. We are >>>>> advancing!! >>>>> >>>>> The Brazilian community has decided to be called "Colibri" after long >>>>> discussions. We also decided that we would not turn off our portal site >>>>> ( >>>>> libreoffice.org.br), since it is one of the most visited portals >>>>> technology >>>>> in Brazil. It would be a shot in the foot of the TDF/LibreOffice. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but I thought that the international community could have some >>>>> autonomy to decide on this issue. And the comparison with the OOo seemed >>>>> a >>>>> little exaggerated. >>>>> >>>>> The North American Community DVD project is using our portal[s] for >>>>> >>>> community based testing of the DVDs online, and later for hosting ISO >>>> versions of the DVDs. We are going to have a version hosted on the >>>> TDF/LibreOffice sponsored site. But that site may not have all the >>>> extras >>>> that we want on our discs. 3 GB total for the Win/Mac/Linux version and >>>> 1.6 >>>> GB for the Windows only version. We are in the alpha/beta of the Spanish >>>> translation of our English DVDs. They are to be found at our portal [ >>>> libreoffice-na.us ]. >>>> >>>> Still in Brazil, as you may know, a lack of harmony between groups whose >>>> >>>>> interests were different. It is no exaggeration for me to bet on two >>>>> Brazilian communities of LibreOffice, since we do not share with them >>>>> ideas, >>>>> particularly as regards the issue of expert technical support and paid >>>>> behind NGOs and businesses. >>>>> >>>>> We want a truly free community that aggregates other communities also >>>>> free. But >>>>> if the Steering Committee find that we are treading a wrong path, please >>>>> let >>>>> us know. >>>>> >>>>> I anticipate that I am against centralization in the structure of TDF in >>>>> relation to the decision of the Brazilian community. Another NGO has >>>>> emerged >>>>> here in Brazil and its goals are clear (http://www.alta.org.br/). I >>>>> have >>>>> no >>>>> idea who created it, but I can also understand that it is "external >>>>> website >>>>> à la OO.o", correct? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Luiz Oliveira >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org >>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> deleted >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
