Here , here. Charles Brown >>> "Dave Bedggood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/03/99 06:29PM >>> In reply to Bob I think he is cutting and pasting history when he says that we are back pre-1914. This is like saying that today Russia is imperialist and that the redbrowns in Russia are the equivalent of the Nazis. Objectively and subjectively we are way ahead of 1914. Objectively, 1917 has created a legacy which will speed up capitalism's demise. In 1914 most of the world was yet to feel the full effects of the world market and capitalist social relations. Russia, the East and the whole colonial world has had another 80 years of capitalism and developed a proletariat that has the potential to dig capitalism's grave everywhere. Restoration of capitalism has come up against big problems especially since it coincides with yet another world crisis of overaccumulation which cannot call forth Marshall plans but rather has to impose massive destruction of the historic gains of workers. So objectively the historic defeat of 1991/1992 has yet to wind the clock back to 1940 let alone 1914. The US/NATO is doing its best to totally erase the last remnants of post-capitalist society, but it has to use force and that is generating massive opposition in the Eastern bloc, and elsewhere outside the Western Alliance. In other words while 1991 was a world historic counter-revolution it only exaccerbated the objective over-ripeness of imperialism. Subjectively, we are not back to 1917 either. 1917 gave us a revolution in a backward country. It was held back by the completion of the bourgeois revolution in Germany at the hands of mutinying troops and striking workers. Since then most of the world has experienced decolonisation and/or degenerated workers states. You could say that capitalism still had tasks to complete. The 2nd WW was defeat, but it cost imperialism Eastern Europe and China and the decolonisation of the 3rd world. These bourgeois or post-capitalist revolutions won democratic rights, mass workers organisations and welfare states. Despite the counter-revolution of the late 80's and 90's in the East and the onset of a NATO world order, the gains made by the masses in the 80 years since October have yet to be rolled back. Therefore the problem today is not one of a return to 1914 either in objective or subjective terms, but the ongoing crisis of revolutionary leadership. Even here we are not back to 1940 yet. Stalinism was the major barrier to the 4I until recently. Despite its degeneration, the elements of post-war Trotskyism have the seeds of a new international which can rapidly form a new world party. Many of us understand the need for a party capable of uniting objective and subjective realities through a revolutionary programme. We have a crucial test of those Trotskyist elements in the current NATO war against Yugoslavia. The task is to block the military counter-revolution that NATO is embarking on. This is the continuation of the counter-revolution of 1918 - to eliminate any vestige of a post-capitalist alternative to capitalism. Not satisfied with restoring the market, imperialism has to remove any political challenge to its direct domination in the ex-workers states. Today NATO draws the line in blood in Yugoslavia. A victory against Yugoslavia will allow NATO to impose military solutions in every region where it forments nationalist splinters to setup compliant client states. After Yugoslavia it will be the CIS and then China. We can see that workers all around the world are spontaneously coming to the defence of Yugoslavia. Most are not all Stalinists or apologists for Milosovic. They recognise the fundamental principle that a victory for imperialism will be another nail in the coffin of the revolution. The crucial test for these elements who what to make up the new vanguard is how to mobilise this opposition to NATO along working class lines. As well as rejecting the SD solutions of UN/OSCE (e.g. break from the pro- bourgeois leaderships of the USEC and IGMETAL), we have to separate ourselves from all those on the centrist left who want to put conditions on the defence of Yugoslavia either by supporting the KLA or refusing a military bloc with Milosovic (mainly the Stalinophobe pro imperialist democracy left). The revolutionary unity of objective (crisis-ridden imperialism smashing ex-workers state) with the subjective (workers unconditional defence of Yugoslavia) is possible with a programme of mobilising independent international working class action against NATO. Inside Yugoslavia this is expressed by building multi-ethnic militia; outside, by militant strike action against NATO forces as Greek and Italian workers show us the way. Dave --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---