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There's an additional factor not being considered regarding this "bitterness" which is the reality -- and danger -- of Israeli Jews being present in occupied Palestine, including in Palestinian communities, even if they are leftist, to the people living there. If something were to happen to Amira Hass, whether because some deranged angry guy came and tried to harm her, irrespective of the views of 99% of the Palestinian community there, you can see what the political fallout will be. The simple fact is that by virtue of the occupation, Jewish individuals, including leftist Jews, have been given a higher human value than Palestinians by the authorities -- and as a result, they have an incredible level of both social power and danger, irrespective of their own personal intentions or support for Palestinian liberation. This is a matter of privilege that exists in every community where there is racism. White people that show up and gentrify neighborhoods in the United States are another example. It does not have to be seen as some kind of hateful personal attack on their ethnic background (even if it appears that way) when the communities that are targeted recognize correctly that their livelihoods are threatened merely by the presence of members of a colonial society. That being said I obviously don't think that automatically outweighs all other considerations, as there are of course legitimate reasons and methods for Israeli Jews and internationals to be active on the ground in Palestine. But it is not a concern that should be simply dismissed a priori as some kind of anti-working class bitterness among the oppressed group. I think that is jumping the gun. My 2 cents. - Amith On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Joseph Catron via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ====================================================================== > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > ====================================================================== > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Shane Mage <shm...@pipeline.com> wrote: > > Since "Arab" is a linguistic, not racial, category, does this exclude from > > the "non-Arab" category the population of "Oriental" Jews, whose > historical > > mother tongue is Arabic? > > > Right, that's certainly not an untroubled or unchallenged categorization, > either, especially since a large majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahim. > > In practice, yes, I think it has usually excluded all passport-holders > except those indigenous to the land: '48 Palestinians and Golan Syrians. > > -- > "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen > lytlað." > ________________________________________________ > Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com