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On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Pollack wrote:
Ted Glick makes an argument very similar to Shane's here:
http://ecowatch.com/2014/11/17/naomi-klein-this-changes-every-thing/
It's certainly true, as Shane and Ted say, that the odds on making a
socialist revolution in time to save the planet and its species are
frighteningly small.
But that doesn't mean pushing only those demands which supposedly
make continuing pollution profitable...
How about reading what I wrote? The whole point is to make continuing
pollution UNprofitable.
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Joseph Green via Marxism wrote:
Klein prettifies the carbon tax, and does not recognize it as
a market measure, no better than the rest of them;
This is the purest ultraleft idiocy. As I have pointed out--and as
Green absurdly ignores--the capitalism system is not about to be
overthrown by a proletarian revolution, not in less time than we
have before the human environment is irrevocably destroyed. Our
struggle therefore absolutely must center on demands for effective
measures operative within the logic of the capitalist system.
Effective carbon taxation is not merely "better"--it is the ONLY way
to make the intensification of pollution so UNPROFITABLE that the
capitalist market totally abandons it and is forced, by its own
"logic," to recognize and act on the real, and ever-increasing,
profitability of investment in the whole range of maturing carbon-
eliminating energy technologies.
Shane Mage
This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
kindling in measures and going out in measures.
Herakleitos of Ephesos
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