******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ********************
#1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
#2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived.
#3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern.
*****************************************************************
On Friday, September 4, 2015 5:00 PM, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:
What makes you think that limited intervention along the lines of
no-fly zones would create some sort of fundamentally different reality
on the ground? Is there precedent for that working elsewhere?
Duh! Libya!
I know Libya is the "anti-imperialist" poster child for a failed
intervention but I consider it an example of a very successful NATO
intervention that should be applauded and emulated. True Libya is a mess
right now. That is often the case for the decade following a successful
revolution. Besides, what was it before on the day when Qaddafi
massacres 1200 prisoners in a yard or 700 protesters in Green Sq., or
the daily terror that Libyans lived through for decades. The UN mandate
was to save lives, not remake the Libyan state or Libyan society - that
truly would have been imperialist intervention. Libya's problems today
aren't the return of NATO intervention. Only those who think there was
no Libyan uprising, just a NATO plot starting with the Tripoli housing
protests in mid-January 2011, can think that. Libya's problems today are
those of Libyans and I have no doubt that in time they will work them out.
So what do you think would be going on in Libya today had there been no
no-fly zone? You think everything would be just peachy-keen? I think it
would be like Syria. Libya is a mess right now, but with 1286 violent
death so far in 2015 <http://www.libyabodycount.org/table/>, it is a
far, far safer place than Syria. Syrians are fleeing to Libya because it
is safer. If not for the NATO intervention, Qaddafi would probably still
have air supremacy today no matter how much territory he lost - the
thing about [regional] air supremacy - once you are "allowed" it by
those who control global air supremacy, you need very little territory,
just backers with deep pockets, to keep your side of the conflict going.
So to answer your question with a question: Why aren't barrel-bombs
falling in Benghazi and Misrata and why are more people likely to die
violently this week in Syria than this year in Libya?
_________________________________________________________
Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm
Set your options at:
http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
