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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says that "It's time we acknowledge that not all Democrats are the same." She says this at 1:20 into her 2 minute basic campaign video "The Courage to Change:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq3QXIVR0bs On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 at 9:34 am, Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > > > The key difference between a reformist Labor Party and the Democratic > > Party is based on class. For example, socialists have had a tactical > > orientation to the NDP in Canada for decades now but none have oriented > > to the Liberal Party. Unless we can distinguish between a bourgeois > > party and a reformist social democratic or labor party, we are missing > > the class criterion. > > > But it seems to me that it’s the exactly the absence of an NDP or Labor > Party that has meant the US Democrats have absorbed the functions that such > parties play in other capitalist countries. In UK terms it’s like the right > and centre of Labour fused with the Lib Dems (a not inconceivable lineup). > That the majority of workers especially organised workers and activists > orient to the US Democrats in a very similar way to the way such layers > orient to the ALP (and some extent to the Greens who have captured a big > chunk of white collar section of the working class), people you presumably > want to get a hearing among, is the reason campaigns such as Ocasio-Cortez > are a consideration st all. > > The concrete difference it seems to me is that in the US the structure and > function of the Democrats makes it possible for such campaigns to put > forward a clear pro-working class and activist platform, clearly opposed to > the leadership. Which is currently inconceivable via the ALP and very > limited via the Australian Greens (including by their explicit proscription > of organised socialists). The concrete national-historical difference > between UK Labour and the ALP is that in the former it’s been possible for > a class struggle current to seize the leadership and some of the > structures, win near majority support and involve new layers in activity: > this is even more inconceivable via the ALP. Reciting abstract categories > isn’t much help without looking at the actual dynamics in each different > national arena of the class struggle. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/daynegoodwin%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
