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*Chris Slee *I, in my view - right about those co-factors mentioned. (I have not read the Telegraph version). Another point is that there was a large population in the factories in Italy. The clothing industry has seen a major shift. Now Chinese owned conglomerates apparently bring to North Italy a large migrant population. (Sorry - it was read in a German paper on th road, and I forget source). So all sorts of issues on top of *population susceptibility* (age, co-factors smoking, air pollution). These remain the main drivers. But other modifying factors, ones that will likely come into play will likely also include obesity - and other general markers of ill health. ThIs is why the burden may be quite high in the USA (Unfortunately we can only wait & see). However, there are other issues too. But in addition - the Italians were slow to start contact tracing & isolation. That allowed spread and reservoirs.... In some contrast to Germany. As far as Germany is concerned: The Robert Koch Institute that developed the WHO approved test - was very vigilant and active from the outset. It started a very clear public understanding early on. And rapid isolation of patients - the first from a contact with a Chinese businesswoman in Munich visiting a factory. They from that published an early paper in NEJM, showing that the transmission was by an *asymptomatic* person. ThIs was hugely controversial then, but it is apparently true - and an important vector. *By the bye: * All bourgeois politicians are essentially cut from the same cloth. Yet *there are* differences. (we see evident differences between communists on this list... I would venture to say. Why is it any different?). Did anyone see the broadcast of *Angela Merkel* a few days ago? [Find at AZD or Der Spiegel - it is not dubbed though]. It was evidently sincere, kind and very straightforward. I have *never* heard a bourgeois politician with a sincerity, in an address to the nation - thank: "The cashiers at supermarkets and the workers who fill the shelves - Thank you". Hari Kumar > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 02:08:03 +0000 > From: Chris Slee <chris_w_s...@hotmail.com> > To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition > <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > Cc: John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Marxism] > Message-ID: > < > sl2p216mb0490d23449b2e799bf7ddc7ec4...@sl2p216mb0490.korp216.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > An article by Sarah Newey in the Telegraph cites several factors, > including high rates of air pollution in northern Italy, high rates of > smoking, and the high proportion of old people (Italy has the second oldest > population in the world, and 87 percent of deaths are patients over 70 > years old). > > Staffing levels in hospitals are inadequate. > > But there is also an issue in recording the cause of death. In Italy all > who die in hospital with the virus are assumed to be dying as a result of > the virus, though most of them also have at least one other disease. > > Chris Slee > ________________________________ > From: Marxism <marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu> on behalf of John > Reimann via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > Sent: Friday, 20 March 2020 10:56:34 AM > To: Chris Slee <chris_w_s...@hotmail.com> > Cc: John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Marxism] Italian & German mortality rates > > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > I was just checking the latest mortality statistics. According to the site > below, the mortality rate of those counted is a massive 8.3% in Italy, > while it's a minuscule 0.28% in Germany. Presumably a large part of that > difference is due to Italy having missed thousands of cases, thus having > reduced the total number. But that massive of a difference? Does anybody > have any idea how to explain it? > > > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2kuIKZC6pBYubhUdS_M-Rsp3OOwZ9b0mHCzgLD-dTr64gAhBMR-vI34ss#countries > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > To change your settings: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu//listinfo/marxism > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Marxism Digest, Vol 197, Issue 43 > **************************************** > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
