Helmut wrote:- > Don't top post - please! > Don't full quote - please! (My full quote is just a bad example)
Yes I hate top-posters too. But: I have to use gmail for this mail-list. Which restricts me to a crappy web-based facility. If I try to access via pop3, I'll be screwed, like when I accepted an additional goog-facility, which needed a biger password, and my previous email password became invalid. The whole layer of extra complication with cookies ..etc. makes web-based emailers bad. Like I said adding complexity is bad. Because gmail is problematic to 'initiate a new topic', I want to tell this *here*:- I had great productivity increase results with mc > cedit > User-menu/F11 for scheme-code. My previous notes, stated that I didn't like the 'structured editor' facility, because I had to lose sight of the text while the process inserted the new text. Yes the annoyance of 'loss of sight of the subject' for half a second, is related to the annoyance against top-posting ? Once I'd accepted this small annoyance, and I'd patched cedits 'lisp' facilty towards scheme, I found that the syntax-colouring and "just enter a full structure at a time instead of single-characters" was a MASSIVE productivity booster. It's especially good for scheme, which has only a few syntax elements. The beauty of such a system, is that when you work with a new language, or a "haven't used for years" one, you re/familiarise yourself with the syntax while building the cedit-templates. And 'capture' the knowledge of the syntax -- that's how 'expert systems' work. Then you don't have to waste your creative mental resources on syntax trivialities. After all, an IfThenElse construct has only 4 elements: its name, the predicate, the consequent, the alternate. Why enter 6 keys for 'banana' when it's just a SINGLE-concept !? I want to extend cedit's user-menu to be able to enter IDs once only, and then just pick-them-off-a-menu for later inserting. Scoping won't be possible. So: avoid complexity and adding too many features to mc/cedit, but I found cedit's syntax hi-lighting and template-inserting editor a big productivity booster. The hi-lighting/colouring and predefined layout/pretty-printing makes eg. the 4 components of the IfThenElse construct evident/identifiable from amongst the mess of brackets. I can't understand why they haven't eliminated char-by-char code writing, and replaced it by menu-driven -- a bit like spreadsheets. The only things you need to originate, besides the 'sequence', are ID names. When you want to instruct an elevator to go to floor 9, you select ONE button, instead of writing a syntactically valid message!? == Chris Glur. _______________________________________________ Mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc