"Bigjohn" Shea rolling on the floor laughing! Now that's one fall I'd rather not witness.
Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, May 22, 2021 5:12 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL! > > Cheers, > John A. Shea, MD > IMCA 3295 > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com > > On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote: > > > As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just > > as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I suggested. If the darn > > thing has been found it had to have fell at some point. Sheeeesh.... Most > > of these terms are absurd. > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list > > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: > > > > > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - > > > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen > > > on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier > > > event in the region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely > > > connected to the mass. > > > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful... > > > Cheers, > > > John A. Shea, MD > > > IMCA 3295 > > > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com > > > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds: > > > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls > > > and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, > > > which can be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an > > > observed fall. > > > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to > > > be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls: > > > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond > > > reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed > > > either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred soon after > > > the event. Physical evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when > > > collection did not occur immediately, convincingly points to a fall at > > > the time of the event. > > > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the > > > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations > > > of an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there > > > remains some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to > > > the event, or about the nature of the event itself. > > > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom > > > determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for > > > finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences. > > > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with > > > information that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was > > > found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation > > > that seems consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, > > > either about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the > > > observations of the event itself. > > > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information > > > that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt > > > about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the > > > observations of the event itself. > > > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, > > > was submitted concerning the fall circumstances." > > > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote: > > > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" > > > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > Date: May 21, 2021 > > > To: "bill k" billk...@protonmail.com > > > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" museumcenterpi...@gmail.com, > > > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE > > > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS > > > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted > > > 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The > > > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these > > > definitions. > > > -Michael in so. Cal. > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list > > > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: > > > > > > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such > > > > designation exists. > > > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is > > > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an officially > > > > recognized term? > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list > > > > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such > > > > > designation exists. The features of this meteorite are consistent > > > > > with a residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or > > > > > far more; Bur-Abor is an outstanding, highly weathered meteorite. > > > > > Please remedy as we all get hurt when the line between puffing and > > > > > misrepresentation is blurred. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list > > > > > > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: > > > > > > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION > > > > > > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS > > > > > > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB > > > > > > Northeastern Province, > > > > > > Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/ > > > > > > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass > > > > > > may arguably be classed at the top of all large iron meteorites to > > > > > > be offered at auction. Bur -Abor was found in Northeastern Kenya in > > > > > > a local family's garden, after it fell on Nov. 27, 1997. Considered > > > > > > an unwitnessed fall, Bur-Abor boasts numerous distinguished > > > > > > qualities. > > > > > > The present main mass is replete with regmaglypts and large scoops > > > > > > while also displaying the rarely seen feature of orientation. These > > > > > > distinctive features were caused by ablation as the meteorite > > > > > > coursed through Earth's atmosphere. One can see the surface area > > > > > > where elongated, parallel thumbprints indicate oriented flight, > > > > > > which melted grooves into the surface, mirroring each other in > > > > > > shape and size. 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