Hi, Dirk, Doug, List, That "timeline" is a great URL, a very detailed account of Dene history (and lots more); the source is from the documentation of one of the Dene lawsuits, so you know anything that could questioned by anybody was omitted. The earliest tree ring dates show the period 1350-1390 AD for settled structures. That implies an earlier entry into the area. "Intruders," "invaders," or new folk generally have to "invade" first, then settle; you don't build a house until you're secure in the area, so the "intrusion" date would be 1300-1350 AD. There was a major drought in the area in the years preceeding 1347 AD, at which time a number of major Pueblo communities were abandoned. By 1500, the Dene were settled in for a century or so.
I know an anthropologist once who used to sing a song entitled, "How Them Athabascan Bastards Made The Great Pueblos Fall," to the tune of "The Wabash Cannonball." Like most made-up songs, it had a great many verses, few of which are printable in this forum. Wish I could remember them. Basic Rule of the 21st Century: you can find ANY THING you want on the Internet: http://archaeology.about.com/cs/entertainingarcha/a/athabastards.htm These verses are fairly sedate... And, completely off-topic, the analysis of Aztec history and politics on that "timeline" URL is brilliant. The Aztec homeland was supposedly in the nothern area, but since the Aztecs burned and re-wrote their own history for propaganda value, little is certain. A good source on Casas Grandes is: http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/ind_new/ind13.html No mention of the meteorite, though. Another good referrence that you can't get to: "The Worship and Folk-Lore of Meteorites," by Farrington (1900): http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8715(190007%2F09)13%3A50%3C199%3ATWAFOM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-3 No URL, Doug, just the referrence: MONNIG O.E. (1939): "HOW THE CASAS GRANDES, CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO, METEORITE GOT TO WASHINGTON D.C.," Popular Astron. 47, pp. 152-154. Sterling K. Webb -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "drtanuki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Was: Meteorite novels -gifts II New Topicstitle- Meteorites and Archaeology Dear Doug, You mentioned the Navajo. The Dene (Navajo) didn`t arrive New Mexico and the American Southwest until around 1500AD; and it has been proposed that the demise of the Puebloan (Casas Grande) culture MAY have been contributed to by their arrival. http://www.lapahie.com/Timeline_to_1491.cfm Casas Grande pre-dates their arrival. You may do a Web search for more information beyond this link: http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=560 Best, Dirk...Tokyo ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list