Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)

Göran Axelsson Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:09:50 -0700

Not "any human"... it's the "human race" and as a specie I think we hadmore than 53 reproductions last year. You know, there are more than 6.7billions of us now. Every reproduction is mixing genes from twodifferent individuals. That is how you speed up evolution by inventing sex.

"the .25 to .5 inch KT boundry material with thousands of layers mayrepresent hundreds millions of years"

No!

Not all species were extinct, just a lot of them. And the fact that weare here now just 65 million years later plainly disproves that it wouldrepresent "hundreds millions of years".We don't need to count layers or sediment thickness. Just read theradioactive decay clocks and you will have the age. You are throwing outnumbers that is plain wrong again.


/Göran

Steve Dunklee wrote:

gee when was the last time any human had 53 reproductions in one year? even the swine 
flue and  other organisms have only recorded viable changes in genome " and im realy 
just guessing here" since it only covers germs that cause sicknesses. of about once 
every three months. there is something else going on for a recoverey from an exstinction 
event from the KT boundry  to occure in only 65 million years.
   The material above and below the KT boundry is layered with tectonic events 
that are about an inch to 3 inches thick. the boundry material has layers 
between 1 and 4 thousandths of an inch. If we use the amount of layers rather 
than the thickness of the material to measure the elapsed time. then the 
recovery time from the extinction event to the time when the reefs recovered  
again was was a lot longer than the growth rate of limestone from a reef.
   the .25 to .5 inch KT boundry material with thousands of layers may 
represent hundreds millions of years, before life returned again on earth. if 
what happens today is any indication of the past, then life recovered on land, 
a long time  before the ancient ocean reefs started to deposit limestone 
agaain. giving plenty of time for the vast diversity of genetic material in 
land animals .
have a great day

Steve

From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off 
topic)
To: "Göran Axelsson" <axels...@acc.umu.se>, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Sterling 
K. Webb" <sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 6:08 AM
How many licks does it take to get to
the center of a tootsie pop?
 LOL!
Isn't science fun?

Steve

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact

Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)

To: "Göran Axelsson" <axels...@acc.umu.se>,

meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:10 PM

That humans have turned sex into

an amusement park is just an abomination...

On behalf of amusement park operators every-
where, I strenuously object to this comment...


Sterling K. Webb

---------------------------------------------------------------

----- Original Message ----- From: "Göran Axelsson"

<axels...@acc.umu.se>

To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact

Predicted/we

are the aliens! (off topic)


This answer only deals with evolution and no

meteorites.

Just delete it
and you will not have missed any meteoritic

information.

Steve Dunklee, I'm not jumping in the discussion about

the

existence of
aliens but you are making a few mistakes.

- A change every 10 minutes for one billion years

doesn't

add up to 53
billion changes, that would be only 53 per year. The

real

number is
53000 billions.
That is only for one cell. You have to add in the
diversification that a
planet teeming with life adds to the numbers. How

many

microbes inhabit
this planet?
Every cell division gives two new cells and after 1

billion

years there
should be 2^53000000000000 cells, more than enough

that

some should give
rise to humans with a merely 3000000000 base pairs in

the

DNA strain.
When life got more complex it invented sex to speed

up

development by
mixing and fusing different DNA strains. (That humans

have

turned sex
into an amusement park is just an abomination of it's

true

purpose!)

  :-)

Ok, that is a looong stretch that a cell should give

rise

to complex
multi cellular life. I just threw out some big numbers

like

you did.
Your argument only dealt with one strain of microbe

while

my numbers
puts no upper limit to the numbers of microbes

(biomass).

The truth lies
somewhere in between but I leave that for the

biologists to

work on.

- The other mistake you are doing is to say that there

is

4^3000000000
combinations of the human genome. If you change too

much of

the genome
it isn't a human any longer. Just change 5% percent

and you

could end up
with a chimpanzee. A bit further and you have a mice.

Even

yeast shares
a lot of genes with humans.
More than half of the human DNA seems to be made up

of

junk. Repeated
expressions, inactive parts left overs from evolution

and

remains of
viruses.

Whenever a complex being is reproducing it will change

lot of
different base pair, not only one. As a proof, look at

the

divergence
between chimpanzee and humans. 5 million years created

a 5%

difference
between our species. If we take a simplistic view and
translate that
into base pairs even though it isn't that easy to

compare.

(It is moved
parts, added sequences, removed sequences and changed
parts.) we have an
approximately difference of 5% of 3 billion, or 150

million

base pairs
over 5 million years, or 30 base pairs per year (15

per

specie). Not
that big a number at all.

So I don't find any problems with the reproduction

rates

compared to the
complexity of our DNA.

Btw I believe there is life in other places of the

universe

but that is
only a belief. I have no proof of existence or

absence. The

only thing I
know is that we soon have the tools to detect traces

of

life if it
exists in our stellar vicinity.... and that the

scientific

debate
following a possible find will make the meteorite list

seem

dull.

  :-)

/Göran


Steve Dunklee wrote:

the fastest reproducing micro organism has a

reproduction rate of once every ten minutes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe

this reproduction rate if there was one change in

dna

every ten minutes would result in just shy of 53
billion  different combinations in a billion
years.  different combinations of dna.

  the oldest life on earth is 3.5 billion years

ago but the change to multi cellular organisms was

only

about 1 billion years ago with stromatolites.

    the human genome has 4 to the 3 billionth

power of genetic combinations in its dna and a

reproduction

rate of once every 9 months. as species become more

complex

the reproduction rate decreases.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html

  4 to the 3 billionth power is way over the

possible 52 billion combinitations assuming one change

every

ten minutes which we all know is impossible.

  the only possible explaination of the

complexity

of the human genome and other forms of life on earth

is that

life could not possibly have formed on earth. there

has not

been enough time! even at one surviable change every

ten

minutes. at one change every ten minutes it would

still take

over 2 billion years.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1658283.htm

  I know I don't have all the answeres but it's

hard to ignore real science of reproduction rates as
compared to our dna. and the amount of time it takes

for

reproduction to occure.

     In short we are the aliens!
eve a great day!
Steve

______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

______________________________________________

http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)

Reply via email to