On Jan 4, 2008 6:02 AM, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan Cannon > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > > >Andy Mabbett wrote: > >> We could simply declare, in the manner of implied-n-optimisation, that > >> an hCard with no children ... defaults to the equivalent of the full > >> mark-up > >> as used above. > > > >I wrote about this more than a year ago[1] and created some wiki pages with > >examples: > > > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implied > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implied-examples > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implied-brainstorming > > So you did - I even replied on -brainstorming. (I wish I could remember > what happened to my memory!) > > As explained in my original post in this thread, I now think that the > specific suggestion to use "vcard-with-no-children" is unworkable. > > > >The largest problem we have to deal with is one Brian Suda's criticism of > >the idea > > Aside from Brian's issues with your specific example, his key comment > seemed to be: > > Either #1 you are trying to save bytes (which IMHO is not a good > reason) or #2 you are trying to make publishing easier... so if > we are going to work under the assumption of #2 lets, try to > avoid the whole "HTML Bloat" discussion. > > While I think bloat *is* an issue (more specifically, a disincentive to > publishers to use microformats), I thinks that the two go hand in hand, > and that this proposal does address his latter point, of ease of > publishing.
For what's worth, I think something along the lines of what Andy & Ryan C. are discussing here is a good idea, though I'm loath to get in a pissing match about "vcard fn" again. Let me quote here something from a friend (who's had a fair bit of success in small startups over the last few years) in response to my question why he wasn't using XFN + hCard for a project: | The biggest problem with microformats is that nobody gets it. | If I tell a programmer its an XML vocabulary, then he says "gotch ya". | If I tell a programmer its microformats, then he says "micro what?" | There's a lot of interest in microformats because its cool, but few are | implementing them because of the learning curve. <span class='vcard'><span class='fn'>David Janes</span></span> is a pretty damned hard sell. Regards, etc... David -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss