>>
>> * Has the decision pro/contra default Quantize mode already been made?
Could imagine, that syncing tracks
>> to the phase when in sync mode is what non-vinyl djs (aka majority of
our users) would expect.
> we could default enable quantize when sync-latch is used -- that would
> cause the quantize button to flicker when the user taps the sync button.
Auto set the quantization button might be not what a dj expect.
IMHO the current version is clean definition:
Quantization on: Mixxx respects the beats as best as it can.
Quantisation off: The DJ is responsible for time his commands as required.
Since quantization on requires less Dj skills we may permanent enable it by
default.
But what is the use case for syncing without Phase?
The only advantage I can see is that there is no position jump. Is it
needed?
While using Quantisation state when pressing play is a good idea, we may
consider alternative to always sync the phase when sync is pressed while
playing.
2013/12/16 Owen Williams <owilli...@mixxx.org>
> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 19:27 +0100, S.Brandt wrote:
> > Just started to test this amazing feature, and have some initial
> questions:
> >
> > * Single click on SYNC button syncs BPM, but not Phase anymore. Isn't
> this a regression?
> > Would expect to sync against Master if available.
>
> will fix -- please file a bug
>
> >
> > * Has the decision pro/contra default Quantize mode already been made?
> Could imagine, that syncing tracks
> > to the phase when in sync mode is what non-vinyl djs (aka majority of
> our users) would expect.
>
> we could default enable quantize when sync-latch is used -- that would
> cause the quantize button to flicker when the user taps the sync button.
>
> >
> > * Moving the rate slider of any non-master deck in SYNC mode can change
> the [InternalClock],sync_master.
> > Don't get why, maybe only puzzled that slaves can change a master.
>
> I am trying to get away from the concept of "slave" -- the syned decks
> are peers, so changing one changes the others. That makes it so the DJ
> doesn't have to remember which slider is "ON" and which ones are "OFF".
>
> > * Why can a stopped deck take over from playing decks and become master,
> thus risking train wrecks?
>
> that shouldn't happen any more, handoff should only go to the internal
> clock. What revision are you on?
>
> > * Depends the time it takes to nudge synced tracks into phase from any
> factors?
>
> It depends on sample rate, perhaps? Basically the nudge is supposed to
> be slow enough not to be grossly audible. Let me know if you find any
> problems with it.
>
> > * How are samplers suppose to work?
>
> TBD. Probably will be solved with Carl's Looping infrastructure.
>
> >
> > Possible bug:
> > * Pitch sliders on decks >2 go out of range.
> > e.g. Activate Sync mode on deck #1 and #3, then move Rate slider on #1.
> > See #3`s <NumberRate> displays "-nan"
> > Waveforms of decks, where <NumberRate> = -nan, do not allow waveform
> scratch.
>
> Can you file a bug basically just saying "problems with master sync when
> a skin increases the number of decks"?
>
> thanks for the feedback!
>
> >
> > thanks,
> > jus
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Owen Williams <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Master Sync has landed in trunk after nearly two years of work. This
> is
> > > the feature that will launch Mixxx way passed what even traktor can do
> > > for supporting 4-deck (and beyond!) setups. The user interface is
> > > simple, but it's an extremely complex feature so it's time to start
> > > testing the user experience.
> > >
> > > There were two main goals with the current design:
> > > 1) For users who were used to the old system of syncing tracks,
> preserve
> > > that behavior.
> > > 2) Make the most common use cases of sync amazing, possibly at the
> > > expense of an edge-case.
> > >
> > > No design will please everyone, but after a good amount of testing I
> > > think you'll be pleased with what we've come up with.
> > >
> > > HOW TO TEST:
> > >
> > > Check out trunk, and in a separate folder clone my special master sync
> > > skin repo from https://github.com/ywwg/mixxx/tree/mastersync_skins --
> > > Select LateNight1920x1080-4deck. This is the only skin that supports
> > > the master sync features, so I apologize to those without large or
> > > high-DPI monitors.
> > >
> > > run it:
> > > mixxx --resourcePath ../path/to/mastersync_skins/res
> > >
> > >
> > > WHAT'S NEW:
> > >
> > > Aside from the usual Sync button, you'll see a Master button on top of
> > > each deck and a Master button in the center EQ area. You may never
> even
> > > need to use these directly.
> > >
> > > TRY IT:
> > >
> > > Remember goal 1, preserve old behavior -- you can still start two decks
> > > and tap sync on one to match its BPM to the other. So far, no
> > > surprises.
> > >
> > > LATCH IT:
> > >
> > > Now instead of tapping sync, hold it for a little while before letting
> > > go (300 ms to be exact). This latches the sync button and you'll see
> > > the button light stay on. Try starting two decks and enabling sync on
> > > both of them.
> > >
> > > Then try moving the rate slider of one deck, and HOLY SHIT the slider
> on
> > > the other deck moves too! In this mode, if you do scratches and other
> > > tricks on the decks the other decks will just keep playing as normal.
> > >
> > > Now try turning on Quantize mode on both decks. If your decks were out
> > > of sync at all, master sync will gently push them back in sync. What
> if
> > > your beatgrid isn't perfect and the kicks are still not aligned? You
> > > can nudge the bpm of either track and line it up and master sync will
> > > respect that decision.
> > >
> > > MASTER MODE:
> > >
> > > If you want to try something even more crazy, try clicking on the
> master
> > > button above a deck. Now you can scratch that deck and all the other
> > > decks will scratch too, or click stop and everything stops at once.
> > > This mode also allows a vinyl control input to be the clock source!
> > >
> > > THE FUTURE:
> > >
> > > We have plans for midi clock in and out, but that will have to wait
> > > until Mixxx 1.13.
> > >
> > > BUGS:
> > >
> > > There are still bugs -- the reverse button doesn't quite work, and
> there
> > > are some rare situations that could cause Party Stoppage (like ejecting
> > > a track while it's master). We'll be filling in those holes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Give master sync a try and let us know if there are any bugs (ie
> > > something isn't consistent with what I've described) or make
> > > suggestions. I admit up front that I may not implement your
> suggestion,
> > > but I have been known to change my mind.
> > >
> > > thanks all,
> > > Owen Williams
> > >
> > >
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