Hi,
I strongly disagree with you. We have a wonderfull new feature with resizable skins and this new feature is ruined by our windows installer because if you install 1.12 on top of 1.11, you get the old skins :( Upgrade is not rare. We already discussed about that, I proposed a PR which is waiting review since 1+ month. Saying today that this is not a blocker don't correct the real problem : nobody seems to care about windows users. This is relatively easy to merge, we must improve 1.12 quality including this PR. In my opinion, the problems of the mixxx project aren't marketing or software quality, but two others : - The lack of release management process. We need to know when are the new functionnality merge windows, when we are in feature freeze, what and how we should consider blockers, and so on. and we need someone / a team that dispatch remaining work to achieve release with a clearly stated date or quality and focus every developpers on correcting remaining bugs when we are about to release (for example avoid wasting time talking about coding style during beta cycle). With a release managemen process, the goal won't shift, or only in a controlled way. - The lack of decision process. This project is only driven by strong consensus. When we don't have an overall agreement, nothing is done. it is normal, in real life, that different people have different opinions. We need a way to choose between different opinions. Either with a strong project leader, or with a published process (like voting for example). This should be published. --- Sébastien Blaisot Le 22/07/2015 16:12, RJ Ryan a écrit : > Daniel/RAWRR are right -- the goal posts are moving slightly and we're scope > creeping. > > Active, trivial / low-risk PRs can merge if they are ready but shouldn't be > blocking. > > For me, the final blocker is the manual and website / press material -- which > we simply can't launch without. :) > > Best regards, > RJ > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Ferran Pujol Camins > <ferranpujolcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From my point of view, marketing wise, we could consider 1.12 a modest > release. Because despite the huge amount of work there's behind it, every > review out there will essentially say "it is great and finally have FX, but > the built in FX are weak". > > So my modest opinion is the same that Daniel. > El dia 22/07/2015 12:16, <re-cy...@hushmail.com> va escriure: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:28:38 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann" > > <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We have to be careful to consider what is a release blocker. >> Mixxx 1.12 beta is already so much better than 1.11 that it is not >> worth to >> block it at all from this point of view. >> >> Of cause we should try to fix all critical bugs before a release >> date, but >> in this stage I consider a >> release blocker only a regression that prevents one from using >> 1.12. >>> From this point of view only this one is a blocker: >> * flaky broadcasting connections: LP 1277274 >> >> The other topics are its the over all quality issue. >> >> Everyone can already use 1.12 beta. What is the difference to a >> 1.12 >> release? >> IMHO it is all the shiny stuff that makes the difference from a >> project to >> a product. >> It is marketing, design, manual, advertising texts, screen shots >> and so on. >> A product with good maketing/design is always considered as high >> quality, >> regardless >> of the number of critical bugs. >> >> Unfortunately marketing experts are rare among our contributors. >> Any Idea to change this? >> > > Yeah. > > If the betas really are that close, arrive at a consensus regarding > some reasonable candidate among these beta versions to designate as > a release, publish it, and continue on behind the scenes > developing, like you do. > > Mixxx is marketed really well already. If you are thinking > representation to the public is unclear, consider that perception > will be clarified when the download page has a "release", and > further accentuated with the usual rounds of well-crafted press > submissions to various DJ industry and tech sites and magazines > (which one of you folks usually does that anyway?). > > It seems like everyone in development wants 1.12 to be a singular, > glorious debut - but I think looking for that misses the mark. > There is an actual glorious debut, but it was and is the momentum > in productivity that fired up six months or so ago and will push > all the way through 1.12 to the continuing evolution of the > project, and a more modern style of development cycle. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Also my personal two cents about the roadmap (apologies if it is > off-base): I think new feature sprawl might be happening? If so, I > myself probably contributed to it. I know this observation won't be > popular!! Everyone wants and loves new features. But I think many > of the debates going on will be less exasperating and more > manageable when there are fewer projects underway in general. > Between 1.11 and 1.12, so much got piled on the plate!! Even as > someone without responsibilities free to simply observe, I find it > difficult to keep track of all the threads underway. > > ~RAWRR > >> Kind regards, >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> 2015-07-22 7:55 GMT+02:00 Be <b...@gmx.com>: >> >>> >>> >>> On 07/22/2015 12:00 AM, Sébastien BLAISOT wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Some more blockers : >>>> >>>> * (win) installing 1.12 on top of a previous version >> installation >>>> (lp:1457618) => PR621 is *still* waiting for merge. Please >> review and >>>> discuss if we move version to beta2 >>>> >>>> * (win) Eject symbol not shown in LateNight skin (lp:1454649) >> => PR627 >>>> is *still* waiting for review and merge >>> >>> Who can review these? Who uses Windows? >>> >>>> About startup time, I noticed, under windows, that startup >> time is >>>> *very* long if I have network shares mounted and a slow (like >>>> slooooooow) network connection. Mixxx probably tries to >> enumerate all >>>> drives at startup, even network ones. I think it should be >> limited to >>>> local drives. Launch time is short if I unmount network shares >> before >>>> launching mixxx. Hope this can be of any help in sorting out >> this issue. >>> >>> Why does Mixxx need to enumerate all drives at startup? >> Shouldn't it >>> only need to enumerate drives that the library is configured to >> scan in? >>> >>>> --- >>>> Sébastien Blaisot >>>> >>>> Le 22/07/2015 00:03, Be a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Where are we now? Let's make a list of release blockers: >>>>> * skin polish: Ferran's updates to LateNight in PR #639 is a >> good step >>>>> and he said he'd work on Deere too >>>>> * weird bug with library search bar focus in LateNight: >> >> >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1462061 [1] >>>>> * Startup time: Mixxx takes a long time to start up on some >> systems. PR >>>>> #655 and PR #650 will alleviate the issue without risking >> regressions by >>>>> messing with the startup code much. >>>>> * Opus crash: LP 1458380 >>>>> * flaky broadcasting connections: LP 1277274 >>>>> * key sorting: PR #649 in progress >>>>> * updating documentation links: PR #657 >>>>> * manual updates. IMO the people who wrote new features >> should be the >>>>> ones who explain how they work. >>>>> >>>>> * Electrix Tweaker mapping: PR #638 is almost ready. I ran >> into a bug >>>>> where I couldn't exit a loop using my controller last night. >> I'm not >>>>> sure if it was an issue with the mapping or Mixxx. >>>>> * Pioneer DDJ-SB mapping: How is progress on this Joan? Can >> you put it >>>>> on GitHub? See >>> >> http://mixxx.org/wiki/doku.php/midi_scripting#setting_up_git [2] > >> for >>> setting >>>>> up git for mappings. >>>>> >>>>> On 06/14/2015 12:33 PM, Sébastien Blaisot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, trying to gather what we said about "1.12 release >> blockers": >>>>>> >>>>>> Done: >>>>>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch) => PR579 & >> PR608 merged. >>>>>> * (win) installing 1.12 on top of a previous version >> installation => >>>>>> PR621 waiting for merge >>>>>> * (win) Uninstalling Mixxx leave files behind => PR603 >> merged >>>>>> * (win) Incorrect preferences folder path => PR606 merged >>>>>> >>>>>> Remaining: >>>>>> * critical Windows bugs => RJ told he will have a look at >> them. can we >>>>>> list the critical blockers here ? >>>>>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch) => bug >> lp:1454649 >>>>>> remaining. Is there other work needed ? >>>>>> * website updates (RJ ryan is working on this). We also need >> to open >>>>>> more languages for website translation on transifex. it's >> actually >>>>>> limited to english, german, portuguese and Turkish. I can >> make french >>>>>> (france) translation. >>>>>> * manual updates => Does somebody work on this actually ? >>>>>> * avoid flanger warning message for shipped with mixxx >> controller >>>>>> mappings (hack it by making an ignore list) => Does somebody >> work on >>>>>> this actually ? >>>>>> * XDG folders under Linux : We have to decide if it is a >> 1.12 issue or >>>>>> if we postpone it. see lp:1463273 and PR622 >>>>>> * Unstable broadcasting stream => lp:1277274 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there any other blockers ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- >>>>> Don't Limit Your Business. 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