Reding did not mean the Holocaust, but the 'Great Devouring,' Andor says

A Roma woman outside her home - the gypsies are to an extent the forgotten
victims of WWII, Andor said (Photo: Council of Europe)

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EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Weighing into the bitter European Union debate over
the Roma, the bloc's social affairs chief, Laszlo Andor, uniquely among his
commission colleagues, has come to the defence of vice-president Viviane
Reding's comparison of France's expulsions to the horrors that befell the
continent during World War II.

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 Although most leaders defended the commission's right to investigate France
for a breach of EU law, almost uniformly, they have said Ms Reding went too
far when she said: "This is a situation I had thought Europe would not have
to witness again after the Second World War."

But Mr Andor, Hungary's representative in the commission, and by some degree
its most left-wing member, has said her comparison is historically accurate
and he "totally" supports her words.

He is frustrated that much of the discourse over the past few days both by
politicians and in the media has assumed that Ms Reding had likened French
treatment of Roma with that of Jews, forgetting that for gypsies, the
Holocaust was also known as "O Baro Porrajmos," or the Great Devouring.

"Europe must not forget that the Roma suffered a great loss of lives during
the Holocaust," he told Spanish daily La Razon on Thursday.

This aspect of the Holocaust is infrequently recalled, and has not featured
in much of the debate in the past few weeks.

Some 250,000 gypsies died during the Porrajmos, a Romani term for the
Holocaust, Mr Andor reminded the paper.

While no government is massacring Roma, the commissioner noted that the
round-ups and destruction of the camps themselves have very strong echoes
within the community of the round-ups that took place across Europe 70 years
ago.

"This is part of their collective memory, and when there is a growing
intolerance or xenophobia, we should be conscious of the historical
context," he said.

The Romani communities of Europe, being nomadic, were often less organised
than the their Jewish counterparts, making accurate assessments of the true
figures of those killed very difficult. However, researchers believe the
range is between 220,000 and, according to Sybil Milton, of the US Holocaust
Memorial Research Institute, 1.5 million.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy's comments that he would be happy to see
Luxembourg take in France's Roma are of particular historical resonance:
After World War Two there were no gypsies left in the Grand Duchy, with
almost the entire population having been eradicated, according to Ian
Hancock, an academic specialising in research into the subject. An almost
total annihilation also occcured in Croatia, Estonia, the Netherlands and
Lithuania.

Asked about the expulsions, Commissioner Andor said: "This has been an
unfortunate event. Many hundreds of Roma have been forced to leave their
homes and are not wanted. Viviane Reding has been very explicit in her
statement and I totally support her."

He added that Europe should focus now on what can be done to end the
exclusion of the Roma instead of on the internal EU row, saying: "It's
unfortunate how the controversy has developed because we have focused on it
instead of us thinking what we can do."

He stressed that Spain's integration actions have worked and other countries
should try to emulate them: "The integration policies of Spanish gypsies
have been a great success in Europe. When I have the opportunity, I think it
will be important to praise these results and encourage the countries of
central and eastern Europe and the Balkans to engage in similar actions."


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