Hi Richard,
> On Nov 13, 2023, at 16:08, Dick Roy via Nnagain > <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of > Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 6:15 AM > To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this > time! > Cc: Sebastian Moeller > Subject: Re: [NNagain] The rise and fall of the 90's telecom bubble > > Hi Jason, > > > > On Nov 13, 2023, at 08:54, Livingood, Jason via Nnagain > > <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > Would love to spend some time thinking together about what a smart > > > manufacturing system would look like in terms of connectivity, latency, > > > compute availability, anything that occurs to you. I know a guy who does > > > devops for factories, and he has amazing stories -- might be good to make > > > that connection as well. > > > > One of the L4S (low latency, low loss, scalable throughput) demos that > > Nokia did at a recent IETF hackathon showed a simulated 5G access network > > to do low latency remote control of cranes in an industrial port facility. > > It seemed like one of their points was that you could remotely operate > > cargo container movements with the crane via a remote workforce over a low > > delay network connection - even with fairly limited bandwidth (they’d > > adjust the throughput down to just a few hundred kbps). > > > > While they did not say much more, I could envision a port operator being > > able to gain more efficiency by enabling a skilled operator to control > > cranes at several ports around the world on an as-needed basis (vs. being > > based in 1 port and having some downtime or low utilization of their > > skills/training), even from the comfort of home. > > > I would stop doing business with such ports... there clearly are > accidents (or sabotage/jamming) just waiting to happen using wireless > connections for such use-cases... Yes, I understand that that is what Nokia > sells, so everything looks like a nail to them, but really "caveat emptor", > just because something can be done does not mean it should be done as well... > > Regards > Sebastian > > P.S.: Currently in the US for a conference, getting reminded how shitty > GSM/LTE can be, heck the conference WiFi (with 25K attendees) is more > responsive than GSM... I am sure 5G might be better, but my phone is LTE > only... > [RR] Welcome to the “club”! We in the US have been dealing with this for > over 30 years … why you ask???? ... answer … CDMA and the IPR behind it! It > was and still is “all about the money!”. My phone has 5G and when download > rates plummet to the floor, all I have to do is look at the top of the > display, and lo and behold … I’m on 5G!!! If you believe 5G is going to be > better, I have a bridge for you that “is going to be soooo much better” JJJ All good explanations for what I see, yet this is happening in the capital... (but truth be told, when I bought this phone I did not pay much attention to which bands it was suited for, it is not impossible that it at least partly my phone's fault that I am connecting with EDGE speeds, quite the throw-back to the 2000s ;) but back then EDGE was indeed cutting edge). About that bridge, I hope this is in NY city? Regards Sebastian > > RR > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nnagain mailing list > > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
