Hi Dave, On 14 November 2023 11:06:54 GMT-05:00, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >As I noted also on the twitter thread for this, were I there, and >dishonest, (particularly were gobs of money on the table) I could easily >have permuted the bandwidth on both tests hugely upwards from a single >laptop by running continuous speedtests. But speedtests are not what we do >day in or out, and reflect normal usage not at all. > >The 83% of people (experts!!!) that were wrong is ... mindboggling.
[SM] The optimist in me reads this as only 27% were really off... I also note the options had an odd scaling, neither liner, nor logarithmic, making it hard to make inferences. > >PS What wifi standard was at ietf? Is this still the old ciscos? The >headline bandwidths claimed for any version of wifi drop dramatically at >distance and with multiple users present. So it might have taken a couple >laptops out of the thousand there to move the stats in a perverse >direction, now that I think about it. > >Thank you for doing this experiment! While there are certainly also cases >were mass groupings of people totally saturate the underlying mac (more >than the perceived bandwidth - I have seen congestion collapse and a sea of >retransmits even in small wifi gatherings), the only number that seems a >bit off in your test from a typical residential/small office is the >roughly 3.5x1 ratio between down and up. I am willing (for now) to put that >down to engineers doing actual work, rather than netflix. [SM] +1; the typical high down/up ratio for home users is partly a result of offering mostly heavily asymmetric links, users inherently learn what they can use a link for... Regards Sebastian > >I would so love to see more measurements like this at other wifi >concentration points, in offices and coffee shops. Packet captures too!!!! > >On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:46 AM Livingood, Jason via Nnagain < >nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> On the subject of how much bandwidth does one household need, here's a fun >> stat for you. >> >> >> >> At the IETF’s 118th meeting <https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/118/> last >> week (Nov 4 – 10, 2023), there were over 1,000 engineers in attendance. At >> peak there were 870 devices connected to the WiFi network. Peak bandwidth >> usage: >> >> - Downstream peak ~750 Mbps >> - Upstream ~250 Mbps >> >> >> >> From my pre-meeting Twitter poll ( >> https://twitter.com/jlivingood/status/1720060429311901873): >> >> [image: A screenshot of a chat Description automatically generated] >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > > -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain