AT&T and Verizon are small businesses? Have consumers and businesses left them?
Who are you going to turn to if these entities are proved to be lying? On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@kj.net.au> wrote: > But we’re not talking about small or even medium sized businesses here. * > *** > > ** ** > > Google and Microsoft are behemoths, who would stand to lose billions of > dollars a year in revenue (plus what they’ve staked as their future > business model – cloud computing) if they were found out to be lying about > this. I can imagine they would push back very hard on this type of thing, > and I’m sure they have very effective lobbying/regulator relationship teams. > **** > > ** ** > > Every single one of their current and future business customers would > leave. Plus they’d be sued out of existence by their shareholders (maybe > not in the US, but I could see overseas shareholders doing so). It’s one > thing to comply with a draconian government law. It’s another thing to lie > to your owners about it.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: > listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Harris > *Sent:* Friday, 7 June 2013 11:58 AM > > *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com > *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly**** > > ** ** > > Have you ever been in the cross hairs of the USG? They don't take being > told "no" very well and this is from a former US state worker. I have seen > a state agency ask "nicely" and when met with resistance they become very > Borg like. > > Jon > **** > ------------------------------ > > From: k...@kj.net.au > To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com > > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:39:59 +0000**** > > Considering the fallout if they deny this, and it turns out to be true > (both due to litigation, and customers fleeing their services), I’d be > inclined to think that they wouldn’t willy-nilly issue untrue denials.**** > > **** > > Given how many companies are involved, and how many people would need to > know (technical people, legal people, senior execs), I just don’t see how > you could keep this all covered up for a significant amount of time.**** > > **** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > **** > > *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [ > mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Jonathan Link > *Sent:* Friday, 7 June 2013 11:28 AM > *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com > *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly**** > > **** > > That's my operating theory.**** > > **** > > **** > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@live.com> wrote:**** > > Considering the fallout if they admit to allowing this type of thing to > be done I would guess not them (Microsoft et. al.). > > Jon > **** > > > From: k...@kj.net.au > > To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com > > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:04:08 +0000**** > > > > > > Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already issued denials. I seriously > wonder who's telling the truth :-| > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: > listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:27 AM > > To: NTSysADM@lists.myitforum.com > > Subject: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through > a PRISM darkly > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_print.html > > > > Kurt > > > > **** > > **** >
