On 2/16/12 6:23 AM, Francesc Alted wrote: > On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > >> On 2/15/12 6:27 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: >>> But in the very end, when agreement can't be reached by other >>> means, the developers are the one making the calls. (This is >>> simply a consequence that they are the only ones who can credibly >>> threaten to fork the project.) >> >> Interesting point. I hope I'm not pitching a log onto the fire >> here, but in numpy's case, there are very many capable developers >> on other projects who depend on numpy who could credibly threaten a >> fork if they felt numpy was drastically going wrong. > > Jason, that there capable developers out there that are able to fork > NumPy (or any other project you can realize) is a given. The point > Dag was signaling is that this threaten is more probable to happen > *inside* the community.
Sure. Given numpy's status as a fundamental building block of many systems, though, if there was a perceived problem by downstream, it's more liable to be forked than most other projects that aren't so close to the headwaters. > > And you pointed out an important aspect too by saying "if they felt > numpy was drastically going wrong". It makes me the impression that > some people is very frightened about something really bad would > happen, well before it happens. While I agree that this is > *possible*, I'd also advocate to give Travis the benefit of doubt. > I'm convinced he (and Continuum as a whole) is making things happen > that will benefit the entire NumPy community; but in case something > gets really wrong and catastrophic, it is always a relief to know > that things can be reverted in the pure open source tradition (by > either doing a fork, creating a new foundation, or even better, > proposing a new way to do things). What it does not sound reasonable > to me is to allow fear to block Continuum efforts for making a better > NumPy. I think it is better to relax a bit, see how things are > going, and then judge by looking at the *results*. I'm really happy about Continuum. I agree with Mark that numpy certainly could use a few more core developers. I've not decided on how much structure I feel numpy governance needs (nor do I think it's particularly important for me to decide how I feel at this point on the subject). Jason _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
