On 12.04.2013, at 2:14AM, Charles R Harris <charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Colin J. Williams <cjwilliam...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> On 11/04/2013 7:20 PM, Paul Hobson wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Doug Coleman <doug.cole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, gmail "bottom-posts" by default. It's transparent to gmail users. I'd 
>> imagine they are some of the biggest offenders.
>> 
>> Interesting. Mine go to the top by default and I always have to expand the 
>> quoted text, trim down as necessary, and then reply below the relevant bits. 
>> A quick gander at gmail's setting doesn't offer anything obvious. I'll dig 
>> deeper later.
>> 
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> Bottom posting seems to be the accepted Usenet standard.
> 
> I don't care, can't someone can make a decision, so that we all do the same 
> thing?
> 
> Please develop a rationale or toss a coin and let us know.  Numpy needs a 
> BDFL (or a shorter term, if you wish).
> 
> 
> It's always been bottom posting.

In German this kind of faux pas is usually labelled "TOFU" for "text on top, 
full quote underneath",
and I think it has been a bit overlooked so far that the "full quote" part 
probably is the bigger problem.
IOW a call to try and trim the OP more rigourously should help a lot, and I'd 
think most people then
can agree on bottom posting (and I know the issue with mail clients doing that 
automatically - the thread
in question looks quite readable in Mountain Lion's Mail.app, but a nightmare 
on Snow Leopard!).

Cheers,
                                                Derek

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