As far as the literature goes, K.M. Olsen and H. Larrson "Gulls of North America, Europe and Asia" show an adult Kumlein's "Iceland" Gull with extensive black in the primaries in photo 275 on page 223 and over the page on 224 photo 276 shows an adult with pale eyes.
Now the whole thing just comes down to just how much thayeri we consider being present in a Kumlein's Gull with that much black in the wingtips, but that's probably about as fruitful as debating the length of a piece of string. Phil Jeffrey On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Mike <mike...@optonline.net> wrote: > Coincidentally, on the same day that I photographed the classic Kumliens > Gull at Iron Pier Beach, I also photo'd an adult with black in the > wingtips. That bird was on Artist Lake in Middle Island, also in Suffolk > County. Photo at > http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11913883496/sizes/m/ > In addition, that bird had pale yellow eyes, a characteristic I've never > noticed on an adult Kumliens. > http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11973681755/sizes/m/ > > For comparison purposes, here is the Iron Pier Beach bird. > http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11913257573/sizes/m/ > > Mike Cooper > Ridge, LI NY > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Steve Walter <swalte...@verizon.net> wrote: > > Pictures relating to the following are at > http://www.stevewalternature.com/ > > It was good to hear Mike Cooper's January 12 report that the presumably > same > Iceland Gull is back and doing well at Iron Pier Beach. I photographed this > bird on January 7, 2012 (lower left) and as an immature February 16, 2009, > making it over 5 years old now. Mike's report was timely in that I consider > this to be the prototypical Kumlien's Gull, with gray in the wingtips, and > I > referred to it for comparison to a surprising looking individual at Jones > Beach West End Sunday (wing, upper right). The markings in its wings were > black and a bit more extensive than the Iron Pier bird, and its head a bit > more angular than might be expected. I discussed this with Shai Mitra, who > indicated that a bird matching my description has been seen there > sporadically over the years. In fact, he produced a picture he took January > 2, 2006 (top left). If indeed the same bird, it would be at least 11 years > old now. But on top of that, he mentioned seeing a black marked individual > in Suffolk county. The next day, Sean Sime reported a black marked bird in > Brooklyn. What's up with that? I haven't seen literature mentioning the > existence of Iceland Gulls with black in the wingtips. The absence of > markings is, however, mentioned for a tiny percentage, as seen in the bird > photographed at Point Lookout February 24, 2013 (bottom right). > Appreciating > a variability in Kumlien's Gulls that they may not get enough credit for. > > > Steve Walter > Bayside, NY > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > -- "If you lie to the compiler, it will get its revenge" - Henry Spencer -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
