In Western New York Cinnamon Teal is accidental. About twenty years ago there was a report of about half a dozen at the Iroquois NWR, so I went to see these extraordinarily rare life birds. Before I got there they were all shot by hunters. At the time Art Clark requested one for the Buffalo Science Museum collection. It could not be done as none of the hunters were willing to donate a Cinnamon Teal. Why if birds are illegally shot are the birds the sole property of the hunter that shot them. Why are the hunters not fined. Why are they allowed to keep the bird. If a hunter shoots a newly discovered last Ivory-billed Woodpecker (thinking is was a Mallard Duck) does this mean he free sell this rare specimen for millions of dollars because he made a stupid mistake??? This makes no sense to me... I'm I missing something? Bill Watson In a message dated 3/21/2014 2:06:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, patr...@qprocorp.com writes:
This is just not true. There have been instances of Whooping Cranes being killed by Sandhill Crane hunters and Snow Goose hunters. Thinking that ALL hunters know EXACTLY what species they are shooting at when they pull the trigger is simply not true. There is plenty of history to refute your thought. Sorry -----Original Message----- From: bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Voisine, Matthew NAN02 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:38 AM To: Glenn Wilson; <redk...@optonline.net> Cc: Larry Federman; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L; Voisine, Matthew NAN02 Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is beginning to criticize hunters unduly. Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story and not really relevant Matthew Voisine Biologist USACE- NY District 26 Federal Plaza Room 2151 NY, NY 10278 917.790.8718 voice 702.271.0496 mobile 212.264.0961 fax matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com] Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32 To: <redk...@optonline.net> Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these "black" birds. Glenn Wilson Endicott, NY www.WilsonsWarbler.com On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM, <redk...@optonline.net> wrote: Hi everyone: While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne Hertzog illustrates) and shoot as many crows as they desire. Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate approach...... John Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Federman Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" > Thanks, Matthew, > It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but the > shoot is just outside the NYC watershed. > > Larry Federman > President, Northern Catskills Audubon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM > To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L > Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) > > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > Caveats: NONE > > I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. > However it is a > huge "typo". > > However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. > the reservoirs? The statement is appropriate. > > > Matthew Voisine > Biologist > USACE- NY District > 26 Federal Plaza > Room 2151 > NY, NY 10278 > 917.790.8718 voice > 702.271.0496 mobile > 212.264.0961 fax > matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of > Will Raup > Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11 > To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release > > Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", > means it will > be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York > State DEC, > otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will > just view > this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going > on north of > New York City. > > The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after > that > particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use > that to their > advantage. > > Will Raup > Albany, NY > > > ________________________________ > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700 > From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release > To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu > > > Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. > > > Thanks, > > > Stella > > > > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything > cold, as holding > whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to > science to spread > the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or > people, it > is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." 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