I have uploaded a crop of the eyering here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/23604521@N00/16300143723/ Thank you for the feedback. I agree that the mantle is lighter than expected for YLGU, and the eyering might not be fleshy (or red) enough for YLGU. Juan
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Andrew Baksh <birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote: > Shane Blodgett, who was in the field when I called him about the report > also was not convinced by the mantle color even though he was looking at > the photos on his phone. > > Andrew > > On Mar 24, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Dominic Garcia-Hall <dominic.h...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > A a European migrant myself, with some familiarity with these, I'd be > hesitant to call it. Can't see much color on the gape - would expect red > 'line' and lining - matching eye ring color. > Mantle color really quite variable and also hard to judge. > But I'm not really a gull person. Happy to stand corrected. > Dom > > www.aventuraargentina.com > > www.antbirder.blogspot.com > > + 1 646 429 2667 > > On 24 March 2015 at 16:40, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com [ebirdsnyc] > <ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Good points Phil. A few more things in favor "for" are the the bill and >> head which is very clean. I have not attempted to blow up any of the photos >> to look more closely at the orbital ring. >> >> The mantle though is where I am uncertain as it seems so pale. >> >> Andrew >> >> On Mar 24, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Phil Jeffrey phil.jeff...@gmail.com >> [ebirdsnyc] <ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I'd refer you to gull-research.org, which isn't always the easiest thing >> to read. e.g. http://www.gull-research.org/ylgadsubad/admar/06cymar.htm >> >> Nevertheless my understanding of L. michahellis, while limited, is that >> it'll have a red-orange eye orbital ring while your bird has a yellow or >> yellow-orange one. >> http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/yellow-legged-gull shows this >> fairly well. >> You'd probably want side-by-side shots with smithonianus Herring gulls to >> highlight any structure differences (and, apropos Andrew's comment, mantle >> shade which is really difficult to assess from isolated photos). >> >> Back in 2004 Pete Shen found a yellow-legged Herring Gull at Jamaica >> Bay. We posted the images on BIRDWG01 and the consensus was that this was >> an odd (American) Herring Gull. I suspect the Plumb Beach bird might be >> the adult alternate version of this anomaly but I'd be interested in >> dissenters from this view since Yellow-legged is very rare in the USA. >> My page hosting Pete's pictures is still up, at: >> http://www.philjeffrey.net/ylhg.html >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:02 PM, js...@nyu.edu [ebirdsnyc] < >> ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Today at 10:30 AM an isolated possible Yellow legged Gull at Plumb >>> Beach. Near a group of 12 Oystercatchers and 40 Brant, >>> >>> I am not an expert, any feedback is welcome. 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